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Fri June 20 2025 21:52:08

Beware Gaping Loophole in eBay Local Pickup

By: Ina Steiner

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eBay sellers can offer local pickup when selling large and bulky items to avoid expensive packaging and shipping costs. But since eBay normally relies on tracking to determine whether a seller shipped an item (and whether the item arrived), it devised a system where it sends a QR code to buyers to provide sellers upon pickup so sellers can scan the code and prove they placed the item in the buyers' hands. 

But it turns out that while complying with eBay's rules for Local Pickup protects sellers from Item Not Received claims, it does not protect sellers from Item Not As Described claims - which is a major factor in a offering items for local pickup in the first place: the buyer can inspect the item before providing the seller with the code showing they picked up the item.

In a June 16 post on the eBay discussion boards, a seller said they followed eBay's Local Pickup rules. But when the buyer filed an Item Not as Described claim, eBay refunded the buyer and told the seller they would have to provide the buyer with a return shipping label in order to receive the item back:

"I sold an item listed as LOCAL PICKUP ONLY. Buyer sent a 3rd party to collect it, then claimed it was "not as described." I offered a return - buyer refused to return the item. eBay stepped in and said I needed to issue the buyer paid postage. How am I supposed to mail a 5ft over 150 lb wooden bench in the mail ??? I'm a little unhinged as my appeals are going nowhere as no one can understand this.

"eBay refunded them anyway. Now they have my item AND my money.

"How is this not theft? If I have to I'm taking the buyer to small claims court. It's $700+."

The buyer used a third-party service called uShip to pick up the 150-pound bench, and the seller confirmed that they had scanned the QR code the buyer had received to prove the buyer picked up the item (in this case, the buyer's agent, uShip).

Participants in the thread put the seller through their paces to make sure the seller had followed the rules, and then summoned an eBay moderator to look into why the seller lost the claim and subsequent appeals.

A moderator arrived, and that's when it became clear that there was a gaping loophole in eBay Local Pickup. She wrote:

"For local pickup, returns should be handled the same way as other delivery options. More on this can be discovered here. Only one appeal is allowed per case, which seems to have already taken place."

The page the moderator linked to on eBay Local Pickup shows eBay protects against INR cases with proof of pickup, but does not protect sellers against SNAD claims:

Managing returns and item not received requests
Returns for local pickup listings should be treated the same as other delivery options. If the buyer returns an item because it's faulty or it isn't as described in the listing, they can return it to you even if your return policy states you don't accept returns.

If the buyer simply changed their mind and you stated in your listing that you don't accept returns, you're not obliged to accept their return request. See our article on how to handle a return request as a seller for more information.

To protect yourself against item-not-received cases, proof of pickup is required.

Some correctly pointed out that using a third-party to collect an item was excluded from the eBay Money Back Guarantee. While it seems like that should protect the seller in this case (despite the fact the seller lost the claim and the appeal!), the Item Not as Described loophole still exists in cases where buyers pick up the items themselves. 

What makes this particular case so egregious is that the seller said they had offered to accept a return, but the buyer refused. It was eBay that stepped in and forced the seller to provide a shipping label.

One participant in the thread wrote, "What they've done to OP will have a chilling effect on local pickup listings, so I sure hope this is sorted out."



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by: terry55 This user has validated their user name.

Fri Jun 20 22:27:35 2025

Just one reason I don't do local pick up, I can just sell on FB if I want to sell locally. The OP really got screwed on this one and ebay should make it right but they won't.

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by: AddyUp This user has validated their user name.

Sat Jun 21 06:35:08 2025

ebay UK no longer allow cash on pickup so FB has become my number one choice for that.

With ebay and online payment the seller is on the hook for the postal return of often heavy/large items. The high cost of posting these items being one of the reasons the seller originally chose pickup.

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by: Rogue This user has validated their user name.

Sat Jun 21 10:21:37 2025

 If Local Pickup is the Best Option?
 In some situations, however, local pickup is one of the best options. For example, if you’re selling a refrigerator or large piece of furniture—local pickup is much more convenient and cost-effective than shipping it. If you need to use local pick up, you should ensure the buyer pays for the item electronically. That way, their credit card or PayPal/Venmo account details are included in the transaction. Additionally use locations with known working surveillance cameras, or use auto rearview attached motion activated 12volt cameras with recording capabilities’ In these situations, the authorities will be able to retrieve video evidence of the transaction from cameras pointed in your direction of the Sale/ Seller, also visually inscribing details about precisely where the transaction took place; Along with their “Buyers” demeanor.  
If you agree to local pickup, before the buyer has loaded the item:
    • Have them print and sign their name on a paper receipt.
    • Take a photo of their driver's license to confirm their identity.
           o Tell them they can cover their license number in the       picture if that makes them more comfortable.
    • Have them acknowledge they received it using eBay’s messaging system.
The steps above will give you proof that the buyer picked up their item. If the buyer/scammer files a claim with eBay saying they never received the item, or doesn’t match the description, you can offer this proof to 🤡E~Bay and obtain success in the dispute.

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by: etectra This user has validated their user name.

Sat Jun 21 13:49:34 2025

@Rogue

"If Local Pickup is the Best Option?
In some situations, however, local pickup is one of the best options. For example, if you’re selling a refrigerator or large piece of furniture—local pickup is much more convenient and cost-effective than shipping it.

"If you need to use local pick up, you should ensure the buyer pays for the item electronically.

No, that is NOT what you should do under any circumstances.

Its CASH ONLY ON PICKUP. You ask the buyer to count the cash out to one bill at a time - not just hand you a wad of cash that can be short. You also do not let the buyer take the item until you have checked the cash with a counterfeit pen. You also do not assist the buyer in loading in any way due to liability problems with them or their car. Plenty of scammer who intentionally get into car accidents to shake down people - maybe while you are loading that refrigerator they decide to let go of it in order to get injured so they can sue you and your insurance. If can, place the item on public property that is next your property so any damage is not on your property. Also make sure at least one other person is at home watching the situation. As far as you know the person showing up at your door is a serial killer.

"That way, their credit card or PayPal/Venmo account details are included in the transaction. Additionally use locations with known working surveillance cameras, or use auto rearview attached motion activated 12volt cameras with recording capabilities’ In these situations, the authorities will be able to retrieve video evidence of the transaction from cameras pointed in your direction of the Sale/ Seller, also visually inscribing details about precisely where the transaction took place; Along with their “Buyers” demeanor.

If you agree to local pickup, before the buyer has loaded the item:

   • Have them print and sign their name on a paper receipt.
   • Take a photo of their driver's license to confirm their identity.
          o Tell them they can cover their license number in the picture if that makes them more comfortable.
   • Have them acknowledge they received it using eBay’s messaging system.

The steps above will give you proof that the buyer picked up their item. If the buyer/scammer files a claim with eBay saying they never received the item, or doesn’t match the description, you can offer this proof to 🤡E~Bay and obtain success in the dispute."

All those steps are a total waste of time. The buyer can file a complaint with eBay and they can file a complaint with their credit card, payment processor or bank. If they used their credit card through PayPal and that credit card was issued by a bank they file with four different parties (eBay, bank, credit card and PayPal). The last time I checked PayPal could come after you 180 days later, but I seen reports of claims going past that because of course anything PayPal says has no value at all.

eBay has zero control over these third parties and these third parties will decide the case - not eBay. This claim can based upon any lie the buyer wants to make up. There will be actual investigation in 99.99% of the cases, which are simply automatically approved and rubber stamped by eBay.

There is a good chance the local authorities will laugh at.

There is ZERO SELLER PROTECTION ON EBAY!

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by: Rogue This user has validated their user name.

Sat Jun 21 15:30:00 2025

@ etectra
Check your stats & 🤡E~Bays policys
 If you accept “cash” 🤡E~Bay considers the sale being takin off site‼️
 Nowhere did we mention having anyone VIA the Internet visit your home address;
         THIS WOULD NOT BE A HEALTHY MOVE ‼️
Accordingly, we never mentioned helping anyone move anything ‼️
    Additionally, the seller protection that is needed
               Is protection from 🤡E~Bay ‼️
       The only way to achieve this is not to play on 🤡E~Bay‼️
 Please read the post content in its entirety; as some people have tendencies to quickly scan thorough.
 So, this way we don’t have to explain, elaborate or elucidate because they got what they needed the first time.

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by: etectra This user has validated their user name.

Sun Jun 22 11:35:56 2025

"Check your stats & 🤡E~Bays policys
If you accept “cash” 🤡E~Bay considers the sale being takin off site‼️
Nowhere did we mention having anyone VIA the Internet visit your home address;
        THIS WOULD NOT BE A HEALTHY MOVE ‼️
Accordingly, we never mentioned helping anyone move anything ‼️
   Additionally, the seller protection that is needed
              Is protection from 🤡E~Bay ‼️
      The only way to achieve this is not to play on 🤡E~Bay‼️
Please read the post content in its entirety; as some people have tendencies to quickly scan thorough.
So, this way we don’t have to explain, elaborate or elucidate because they got what they needed the first time."

" Nowhere did we mention having anyone VIA the Internet visit your home address;"

"Nowhere did we mention having anyone VIA the Internet visit your home address;"

Never said you did.

Do you understand concept of such forums as this?

Answers are not solely provided for you, but geared toward everyone, but especially newbs on the site who are often easy pickings for various scams run by eBay itself, buyers, so called "experts" on YouTube.

But according to your reply its all about you!

"Nowhere did we mention having anyone VIA the Internet visit your home address;"

And this is suppose to be wrong somehow? Most secure place to meet. Surrounded by neighbors. Cameras in place. Guns in house and likely in many of the neighbors homes.

WRONG!

eBay even provides a setting in the listing for "Cash on Pickup". In GarageSale its in the Payments section of the Options tab of a listing, although I simply duplicate a preexisting template for pickups rather than change it on each listing.

You are not allowed to state your listing accept cash in the description but instead must include information in your listing's TOS that all buyers must contact the seller for pickup payment terms prior to purchase. Of course you also want to include that items can't be picked up unless its offered in the listings and that all pickup must be made at date and time agreed to via eBay message. Also add that if the buyer fails to show up for any reason the transaction is terminated.

If the buyer attempts to pay via a online method that can be cancelled since the buyer violated your TOS. Just because eBay forces you to put a online payment method in the listing does not mean they can force you to accept it!

Been there and done that!

Your answer is 100% nonsense!

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by: Rogue This user has validated their user name.

Sun Jun 22 18:31:35 2025

  @ etectra
  ''In a world full of liars, cheaters, and deceivers, it can be hard to know who to trust”
this “person” is described as a crafty iniquitous deceiver, who lives a selfish duple life” with Inadequate management of knowledge and scholarship advice, this leads this “induvial” to hemorrhage inefficient operations, thusly poor decision-making; necessitating the need to leave fabricated negative media statements purely for exposure recognition, “coincidentally” =ing loss of reputation and ultimately loss of important practical resources.(🧠 Brainpower)
Go figure ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  JUST for your edification being recorded via visually and audibly; thus‘Ly using an electronic payment whether its onsite(internet) or in person via an card scanner on an mobile device is TRACEABLE;
 Now if its a stolen card then that’s thief and fraud (a federal rap at that)
 Now if you file a complaint thats deception with the intent to deceive (also a federal rap)
As all payment processors cross electronic state lines‼️
Initial step:
1. Notify & Supply the local police department on scene, with a visual inspection of the recording;(they can use their body cams for their copy retention)this is done, solely for purposes of a report;
2. Then contact the county of origan’s D.A. prosecutor’s office, allocate them with the recording and let them take it from there (theyll love the publicity).
                   NO LEGAL LAWYER fees; VIRTUALLY NO FINANCIAL COST TO YOU ‼️
UNSWERVINGLY anymore then this already provided schooling; would constitute a consultation; thenceforth we would be obligated to charge for our time ‼️
      As far as been there done that
                   MAYBE NEXT TIME YOULL GET IT RIGHT ‼️
                        You’re advise is 💯% ERRONEOUS:
                        If Applied would land someone in jail
                                Have a nice day Erving.

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by: my2cents This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jun 23 03:05:57 2025

NO seller, not matter if it is shipped or a local pick up is immune or protected for Items not as Described claims.  I'm not sure why the OP thought there was.

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by: Snapped This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jun 23 09:34:23 2025

It would be interesting to know the attributes of the item listed and the nature of the alleged mis-description.  Not that such would influence the ‘case’, such as it is.  Not much to hide on a bench though, unless it’s presented as something inherently valuable.

To the point.

A ‘local’ pickup is quite different than a ‘shipment’ which in this case it was, only arranged and funded by the buyer.  Semantics here are understandable, but the issue of ‘responsibility’ as it relates to the conveyance of physical possession is the question.  

If one seeks to find a ‘contract’ breech, that is the point of discovery here.  In fact, the buyer sought to breech sale terms by purchasing in a fashion not offered.  Local pickup means - should be understood as - the buyer will obtain the item at a location offered by the seller and agrees to this as a condition of purchase.  This of course allows for buyer inspection prior to deal consummation, preventing this whole argument.

Instead, the seller agreed to an amendment of the sale terms imposed by the buyer, which was to have the item shipped to them by means the buyer would arrange to correspond to the item’s location, with other terms of sale unaffected.  A ‘local pickup’ in the vernacular.  But different in the execution originally intended.

Because those ‘other’ terms include, and always include - ‘protection’ against misdescription.  A ‘true’ local pickup would have eliminated that possibility - or at least ‘protected’ the seller somewhat against buyer fraud.  But a buyer arranged shipment, where the buyer can not inspect, does not.

So - seller basically waived their ‘right’ to protection from eBay action once buyer claimed foul.  They still have rights regarding any allegations of buyer fraud, especially if the buyer doesn’t return it, and on their dime.  The way it was ‘shipped’.  Although it’s clear because of eBay’s myopic ‘gotta have a label’ restriction they won’t be any help, so that leaves civil action suggestions already somewhat colorfully offered.

Meanwhile seller(s) do need to be aware of the difference between local pickup (however arranged) and buyer arranged pickup.   They are also perfectly within their eBay (and other) rights to cancel any sale or refuse offers for such buyer arranged pickups, unless those also include terms waiving buyer’s right to filing SNAD after the fact, thus having such pre sale inspection available for their ‘agent’ to conduct and pass judgement accordingly.  Agent won’t do it?  Too bad buyer.

Of course that later ‘waiver’ would also likely require an appeal to eBay should the buyer breech and open a case anyway, cuz, as noted, some ppl are scummy that way, and eBay permits that.  Sorry there is no magic pill to take to make that taste go away.  

Save one maybe -  local pickup by BUYER ONLY.  In whatever safe, responsible, and methodical ‘eBay endorsed’ process seller sees fit to describe in sale terms.  With attendant limitations on buyer pool size as a result accordingly, of course.  

Or of course, sell it elsewhere by other means.  That’ll shut us all up.

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by: spooky This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jun 23 10:26:47 2025

It is fairly rare that a 3rd party would be used for freight shipping a local pickup only item and seeing this now I would be reluctant to allow that from now on. Otherwise local pickup should work as long as I am willing to go and fetch the item back I guess. Depends on location I suppose. But I agree, local pickup opens up chances of things that could go wrong

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by: Allen1853 This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jun 23 12:37:04 2025

WOW! The lengths people will go through to get free stuff and commit fraud. Ebay COULD protect sellers from these crooks but they choose not to. Of my 3500 listed items a few are local pick up (or local delivery, by me). I have only had one such sale with no problem. But now I will insist on dealing hand to hand with buyer, I will take photos or video of them examining the item, have them produce ID and sign a "release" full of admissions and acknowledgments. Such a document may not work with eBay but it will help in small claims court if necessary and will make a buyer think twice about committing fraud.  

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by: ebaysbitch This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jun 23 20:09:31 2025

eBay has been offering an online selling platform for over 30 YEARS! If they can't figure out how to properly arrange a common, in person sale, there are no words. Rather than growing and getting smarter, eBay has only gotten more creative with fraud and protecting themselves.

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by: Silverstarvintage This user has validated their user name.

Sat Jul 5 23:31:03 2025

Hi I’d like to provide an update as I was the seller mentioned.   After 2 appeals both of which were denied without explanation.   I spoke to a supervisor who said I qualified for a “manual return” that I would very likely be granted this refund covered by Seller Protection.    They told me what account I should expect to receive the refund in.    They said I would get an email as well in 3 to 5 business days.  

I received nothing.   No refund , no email.     I reached out via Facebook to eBay and through a AI customer service rep was told I was denied the refund and they could tell me why.    They said I should definitely call for said reason , however phone customer service hours abruptly ended that day at 4pm rather than the posted 10pm.  



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