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Mon Nov 5 2018 23:55:08

Reader Points to Contradiction in eBay Policy over Repros

By: Reader

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Dear Ina,
Given eBay's lackluster 3rd quarter performance and now aiming to "adjust", this might be worth a re-visit. Found it on the eBay seller board.

eBay's contract with China is much different than the one we have to abide by. But eBay considers anything made in China to be a "REPRODUCTION" and therefore eligible to be sold on eBay. But if anybody else sells the exact same thing, then it is a counterfeit or a fake.  

Here is a link to an article written about eBay in which then President of eBay Marketplace Devin Wenig explains why eBay gives the Chinese all this information about what is hot so they can then manufacture and make "reproductions". This article is older and many eBay supporters try to discredit it, but it goes right in hand with Wenig's current policy that China is eBay's future. Read it and come to your own conclusions. 
R.



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This user has validated their user name. by: iheartjacksparrow

Tue Nov 6 00:11:06 2018

Ina reported on Devin's "new vintage" items.

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This user has validated their user name. by: Rexford

Tue Nov 6 06:08:10 2018

It's all about money.  Devin LOVES money.  

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by: ignatz This user has validated their user name.

Tue Nov 6 06:48:55 2018

Buy that junk now.  In 30 years it'll be "vintage".

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by: pace306 This user has validated their user name.

Tue Nov 6 09:00:19 2018

Like any other good crime syndicate, eBay says one thing and then does another.

1) eBay sells ur customer data to make money and doesnt reimburse you

2) eBay allows people to VERO you for fakes (even when the accusation is false), but pays,supports, encourages and imports their own fakes and puts them up first to crowd you out

3) eBay tells YOU not to sell fakes but does it themselves - even though they SWEAR they arent competing against you.

Ive said it before and Ill say it again - the "Mafia" in NY (and in other places) are going about "this" wrong. Why kill, rob and extort, when you can just open a fake ecommerce site and import fakes ? Its cheaper easier and cleaner.

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This user has validated their user name. by: toolguy

Tue Nov 6 12:33:36 2018

@pace306

"and imports their own fakes"

"eBay tells YOU not to sell fakes but does it themselves"

What ID is EBAY using to sell these items?

I want to see for myself. . . .

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by: pace306 This user has validated their user name.

Tue Nov 6 13:10:24 2018

Tool

ask the Chinese sellers they help for that info.

OR

read the article

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This user has validated their user name. by: FidoMaster
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Tue Nov 6 13:19:33 2018

I often see comments (all over, not just here) with people complaining about all the "China junk" on the site, but they don't seem nearly as annoyed by the fact that eBay is actively and financially aiding their seller partners in China.

1. eBay allowing China merchant-partners to create and sell knockoffs on the US site but disallowing US-domiciled sellers to.

2. eBay’s mobile app development (including the new brand recognition tools) aims to allow millennial buyers to catch a picture of a Kardashian outfit and with a snapshot go to eBay to find the original and/or a low-priced knockoff produced by eBay’s China seller-partners.

3. eBay's China "Thousand Sails Plan" sounds like eBay's US and UK “Retail Revival” program on steroids.

4. I’ll not go on and on again about eBay’s investment in China’s cross-border e-commerce industrial park in Fuzhou, but it’s a big deal (and “parent” to the “Thousands Sails Plan” initiative.)

5. In February of this year at the Goldman Sachs Technology conference in San Francisco, Wenig boasted that eBay was the largest exporter of Chinese products worldwide (not just to the US). The playback has since been removed from the eBay investor site.

6. Ebay’s Managed Payments, mobile app, and even the auto parts selector tool ECB reported on back in August all coalesce in a critical linchpin for eBay’s growth – eBay wants to turn up China exports significantly above current levels.

7. Several (many?) of the manufacturers in the “Thousand Sails Plan” are automotive-parts related.

8. EBay doesn’t compete with their sellers – they just finance their China competitors like Angel investors.

9. After several failed attempts to get INTO China over many years, with the help of Adyen’s ‘agnostic’ backend, eBay hopes to compete with Tencent, WeChat, and AliPay.

10. EBay wants not just seller merchant/manufacturers in China, it hopes to boost anemic GMV growth by opening the valves to import/export cross-border China trade by tapping into a generation of China consumers who don’t own PCs and conduct nearly all ecomm via mobile.

If Wenig fed his China partners that much information and data four years ago when he headed up the marketplace, imagine how much he has likely ramped that up now that eBay has invested millions into this cross-border ecommerce manufacturing complex, and now that he’s CEO.

Unfortunately none of the sell-side analysts are going to dive deep into these issues on the earnings calls, and accurate reporting is sparse and difficult to obtain here in the US.

Personal note: My complaint/issue is not with "China" or even the merchants per se, it's the significant duplicity and misrepresentation eBay perpetuates about "not competing with their sellers"

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by: pace306 This user has validated their user name.

Tue Nov 6 13:20:03 2018

"We send [manufacturers] data about what people are looking for on eBay and they respond and turn it around incredibly quickly," president of eBay Marketplaces Devin Wenig told me. "We have a really big China export business to Europe and the United States. And they respond very, very quickly to consumer taste, whatever it might be. It's really remarkable to see how quickly the manufacturing base adapts to the demand signals they get."

In other words, that red wool-blend Cross Colours hat on eBay might not be the relic from 1989 it appears to be, but instead a newly manufactured replica. (It is, of course, against eBay's policy to sell counterfeit items.) Yes, there's a huge and thriving "new vintage" manufacturing sector built around—and tailored to— your online searches. It's why, for instance, you can find something like an original 1960s-era Pan Am tote bag, and its new "vintage style" counterpart.

Clear as day - no?

("Besides digging out the popular merchandise in different markets through big data analysis," an eBay spokeswoman told me. "We also help sellers catch the mobile commerce trends, cooperate with third party partners to promote warehouse  adoption, initiate creative logistic solutions, provide micro-credit service, etc.")

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This user has validated their user name. by: toolguy

Tue Nov 6 13:30:54 2018

@pace306

" It's why, for instance, you can find something like an original 1960s-era Pan Am tote bag, and its new "vintage style" counterpart."

I don't believe anything is illegal about that!

Pan Am is long out of business and "repro" bags are in style. . .

My question to you is why do you sell chinese junk yet complain about the chinese???

I have no problem with the chinese! But I do have a problem with the USPS offering the chinese cheap postage. . . .

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This user has validated their user name. by: iheartjacksparrow

Tue Nov 6 14:26:29 2018

@toolguy - If I was a collector of Pan Am memorabilia, I certainly wouldn't want one of Devin's fakes. And being out of business doesn't mean much when a trademark is still in effect (which it is according to the information I was able to find online).

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by: ebayout This user has validated their user name.

Tue Nov 6 16:22:03 2018

Somewhere in all this is constraint of trade.
The FTC can't have something better to do.

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by: pace306 This user has validated their user name.

Tue Nov 6 17:05:56 2018

TOOL

Suggestion 1 please ... stick with aircraft tools

"Pan Am is long out of business " ...
1) the Pan Am Corp is still in business - therefore the copyright is still in force
2) the Logo isnt in the public domain its still copyrighted

""repro" bags are in style"

irrelevant to the law

"My question to you is why do you sell chinese junk yet complain about the chinese???"

1) I dont sell Chinese junk. If a mjor maker makes their items in China - I cant do anything about it - I dont sell wires and cell phone stuff

2) I was complaining about EBAY

"I have no problem with the chinese! But I do have a problem with the USPS offering the chinese cheap postage. . . ."

Neither do I - I love Chinese food

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by: Silver Ice King This user has validated their user name.

Tue Nov 6 17:25:47 2018

@Tool

Its not the USPS fault that they are stuck with the cheap Chinese postage that they are.  That is due to the United Postal Union who still considers China a 3rd world economy and places their postage rates at the same price as they do the country of Gabon.  

There was recently a special meeting called in September of this year in Ethiopia to address this issue and they decided to table it for 2 more years.  In other words China has enough power over them to control the UPU now because there was no reason to do that other than let them continue to plunder the economies of other countries for 2 more years while they figure out how to still do so once that changes.

Trump as now announced that the US is pulling out of the UPU and although it is going to have some other effects that may not be favorable to us it will in the next 12 months start unwinding this disaster of a postal system.  Also for those that are not aware, even though the EPackets are a losing proposition for the USPS, they are actually higher rates than China has to pay if they went back down to the Gabon rates they are entitled to.  I was shocked when i read that but after some further research found that China can just opt out of the Epackets and have their cost go lower, although I do not know what that would do their tracking information.

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by: mcposty This user has validated their user name.

Wed Nov 7 00:39:43 2018

EBay amd amazon shpuld be fined into the dirt for purposefully allowing fakes to be sold..even.encouraging china to sell fake stuff on the us tax payers dollar.

God speed trump..take china down

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by: ySirTinLee This user has validated their user name.

Thu Nov 8 03:27:14 2018

To: mcposty
I wouldn't get too excited about Trump's trade war with China. US businesses are starting to take hits from the escalating tariffs.  In the end, we the consumer end up paying.  What get's me is that the rights owner like Adidas, Majestic, Coach, etc. doesn't put a stop to the Chinese fakes on ebay.  

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by: Chicago48 This user has validated their user name.

Thu Nov 8 06:55:21 2018

That reproductions article is a few years old and I knew about it.  EB basically tells the Chinese what their best sellers are and gives them permission to make knock-offs.

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by: Snapped This user has validated their user name.

Fri Nov 9 07:24:35 2018

"What get's me is that the rights owner like Adidas, Majestic, Coach, etc. doesn't put a stop to the Chinese fakes on ebay."

They mu$t have been motivated $omehow.  



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