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Thu Mar 30 2017 11:39:38

eBay Practices Weight Discrimination

By: Reader

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Dear Ina,
This has been festering in me for years!

Seller "A" sells a coin for $50 with $3 shipping, Seller "A" pays eBay $5.30 in fees

Seller "B" sells a heavy lathe chuck for the same $50 but shipping cost $40, Seller "B" pays eBay $9 in fees

Both sellers had a $50 sale yet seller "B" pays way more in fees then seller "A"

How can this be legal? It's weight discrimination and at the least is just plain unfair to seller "B"

I just wish that something could be done about this unfair treatment of some sellers.
John the toolguy




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by: hopeforthebest This user has validated their user name.

Thu Mar 30 12:14:54 2017

Politicians will tell you weight is not a protected class under American law, so discriminating against heavy objects isn't illegal. :)

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by: pace306 This user has validated their user name.

Thu Mar 30 12:54:25 2017

The lesson here is:

Once you let eBay dictate ANY terms OF YOUR SALE - the only person LOOSING will be "you".

Never in eBays last 10 yrs or more has there EVER been an eBay dictate that has helped sellers.

In no way shape or form does eBay deserve FVF on the shipping portion of the sale - since they have NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

But because eBay doesnt know how to run an ecommerce company, the sellers who sell things for $1 with $200 in shipping outwitted the slow thinking San Joseans.

To retaliate, San Jose clamped down on ALL sellers and pockets the spoils (got to pay to those golden parachutes somehow.

Sell your item for a higher price with lower shipping - is the only way to keep the vultures at bay.

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This user has validated their user name. by: toolguy

Thu Mar 30 13:10:37 2017

@hopeforthebest

So are you saying an Airline's could charge passengers by the pound?

I think that would be illegal. . .

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This user has validated their user name. by: iheartjacksparrow

Thu Mar 30 13:24:12 2017

@John (aka toolguy)- I don't think you'll find many of us who sympathize with you since you are constantly telling us how we don't know how to run our businesses, and eBay is your friend (when it clearly is not for 99.9% of us), and if we have complaints we should go sell somewhere else.

Whether you start your selling price $4 higher with $5 shipping, or sell for $59 with free shipping, you're going to be paying the same amount in fees. That's the reality of eBay.

You're always giving the rest of us advice about what to sell, so here's my advice to you: sell a product line that doesn't weigh so much.  

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This user has validated their user name. by: Marie

Thu Mar 30 13:51:43 2017

This has been a long time concern for many sellers.  From day one.  I don't like it anymore than anyone else.

It is highly unlikely Ebay is going to change this as it is a way to collect money which has very little cost directly associated with the fee.

One could argue there is the cost of the maintenance of the shipping calculator program.  But to this day it has had multiple issues since the day the program was introduced on Ebay, I don't find that much of a cost.  After all these years, it still doesn't work right.  They have more than enough money via these FVFs on S&H to hire the right people to fix this program that has more holes than Swiss cheese.

Pace I understand your anger towards Ebay.  Many of us feel the way you do.  But it is unfair to say that Ebay has never done anything in the past decade to help sellers.  I only speak for myself and that simply is not true for me.

To this day, the fees I pay to Ebay are still significantly lower than they were few years ago.  Now of course part of that is to be blamed on lower sales, there is no doubt of that and that is a real problem I have with Ebay.  But the change that saved me a bunch of money in listing fees was the creation of Variation Listing.  While I can't use it on all the stuff I sell, there are quite a few that I can.  And that saves me money.  I feel that was a GREAT change.

The shortening of the time to process a UID benefited me.  

The ability to have separate areas on the listing form for a return policy, handling time and the such was a huge way to save edit time for a seller.  Remember when we had to go into a listing one by one to edit due to a policy change on Ebay.  Everything was contained in the description portion of the listing, so to edit your listing to comply with a new change, you had to do it one by one.  The same is not true now.  Because of these separate areas on the form, we can bulk edit.  The old way would take me days and sometimes week of work to comply.

There are other things as well.  I do understand and RESPECT your feelings about Ebay.  I get it and Ebay has done many things that certainly fosters these types of feelings.  But not everything is or was bad on Ebay.  If that were to be the case, IMHO you nor anyone else would be selling there.  



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by: pace306 This user has validated their user name.

Thu Mar 30 14:51:39 2017

Marie :)  you may very well be one of those %1 ers !

Im not sure about the examples you gave - but ever Seller Update that Ive seen - has ALWAYS been bad news for sellers.

Fee increases, new stricter rules, rules that flat out dont make sence, removal of tools (not John) tha tpeople use - the list goes on and on.

How about the last one with the %10 reduction for TRSP sellers and the fee increases? Is that a positive change?

How about the rules on returns, the blantant fraud that goes with it and the VERO abuses?

Shall I go on?

Yes eBay has its place - usually for items/brands that are gated on Amazon - AND its a place to fish for buyers for OFF eBay transactions.

eBay is run by people with no experience in ecommerce, they dont even bother going to the top ecommerce related shows, they put ads that compete with the listing YOU PAY FOR right under your listing and much much more .....


I stand by what I said (until proven otherwise)  

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This user has validated their user name. by: Marie

Thu Mar 30 15:17:02 2017

I have no idea if I'm among some ''1%'' of sellers.  I've seen no statistics on the subject and nor do I presume to speak for the millions of sellers out there.  I'm just talking about myself.

We disagree, that isn't unusual nor do we see this the same way on many subjects.  You make blanket statements that you nor I have the accurate stats to attest to some of this.

I understand that you hate Ebay, it is obvious in your posts.  Yet as much as you complain, you remain a seller on Ebay, which does mean they are doing something right for you.

I agree and I don't dispute that Ebay does many things that feel wrong or causes me to re-adjust what I do on Ebay.  I said that in my other post too.

We've discussed the reduction in TRS discount.  I don't like anymore than you do.  As to the other complaints you are specific about, I don't dispute that those, in my mind, need a lot of improvement. You can go on if you'd like, but it doesn't really matter.  The rules are what they are.  Just because you can list a bunch of things that have affected you negatively, I can list some stuff that did not affect you or me negatively.  But I probably couldn't list as many things that helped vs what you could post about the harmful rules.

My ONLY point was that EVERYTHING Ebay does is not wrong.  It simply isn't true.

I already showed you some samples of how Ebay has helped sellers.  I don't presume to know how many sellers it helped as I have no idea of where to get those stats.

People typically don't go to threads and blogs to say how wonderful their business is doing, except for Toolguy until recently.  LOL  They come to vent, find answers or to post and help their fellow sellers.  Rarely is there a feel good story.  It should also be noted that only a fraction of the sellers on Ebay even post here or on Ebay's forums.  There are millions and millions of sellers out there, I don't speak for them, I speak for myself only.

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by: pace306 This user has validated their user name.

Thu Mar 30 18:51:47 2017

"My ONLY point was that EVERYTHING Ebay does is not wrong.  It simply isn't true"

Something that eBay does RIGHT = money in your pocket and NOT theirs.


"Rarely is there a feel good story." Simply because if there is "any good" its so rare and far between.

Trust me - if there was good - Id say it. I dont hate eBay cause its fun - although they are an easy target for sure.

As for why Im here - I explained - eBay is good for selling gated/blocked brands on Amazon.

"We've discussed the reduction in TRS discount.  I don't like anymore than you do."

I gave up on it because the arm twisting to do 30 days unrestricted returns is purely rubbish.

My point was that usually ebay likes to punish the sellers with the least protection/care/sales. THIS time - eBay lowered the boom on its BEST - something that makes no sence, no matter how many ways anyone tries to spin it.

All *I* do is pick out the inconsistencies, lies, illegalities and brutalities that eBay throws at its sellers.

Trust me - Im working 24/7 to make my Amazon grow to the point where eBay is just an after thoguht - but for now - I sell too many gated brands - and Ill GLADLY serve up a column on that should Ina ant to run one on Amazon and ITS behaviors.

What I do know is by pure experience.

When I get ripped off on eBay - they say too bad. WHen it happens on Amazon I get paied - I send in pics and they credit me. Why ? cause im special? no. 'Cause theft is theft.

Theres "a thousand stories in the naked city" and most are about eBay and its bad behaviors.

If I can find a ray of sunshine in a rule they have - Ill say it - LMAO maybe in the NEXT "lowest fees ever Summer Seller Update".

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by: Barbbie This user has validated their user name.

Thu Mar 30 19:31:58 2017

I used to love the bulk edit, when it used to work.
I wish they would fix it.  It says it updates and when you look at the items some took and some didn't.  Very Very time consuming to look at everything.  That is with no offers on them, even still it used to tell you why it wasn't updating a particular item. Very confusing as to why this is happening but it is very frequent lately.

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This user has validated their user name. by: iheartjacksparrow

Thu Mar 30 21:14:30 2017

Marie writes: "People typically don't go to threads and blogs to say how wonderful their business is doing,...."

That may be the case now, but I remember back in eBay's heyday, when I spent a lot of time on the forums there, that sellers would often share their success stories to illustrate to other sellers how great it was to sell on eBay and how others could be just as prosperous.  

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by: Mr Magoo This user has validated their user name.

Fri Mar 31 06:55:11 2017

We are ALL just money in the bank to eBay. As such, eBay will go the EXTRA mile to protect scammers, with their eye on the 10% FINAL VALUE FEE.

I've been banging on at eBay for over 4 months now, about a scammer (2 selling ID's, so also 2 bidding ID's, and a 5th ID, a bidder ONLY ID, who is able to bid in the auctions of BOTH ''sellers'') selling Sony Laptops.

These ''sellers'' can't make up their minds at the moment...NORMAL auctions, BIN/Make an offer auctions, or the LATEST?...PRIVATE LISTINGS auctions...for LAPTOPS eBay?

hobby-stuff-cave will be seen (unless a private auction)  as  a***y when bidding on his OWN stuff, when auctioned by  joes-bargain-sale
                       AND

joes-bargain-sale will be seen as  l***s  when bidding (yes, you guessed it...on his own stuff)  auctioned by  hobby-stuff-cave  AND e***u (it always seems to be a 5 character user ID that eBay swap your true ID for, when we bid ) will often be found to be a key bidder in BOTH sellers auctions for the SAME (pictured on the same furniture, I kid you not) Laptops.

It's FRAUD...it's an onGOING fraud, but everybody seems happy to look the other way, JUST like the 3 WISE MONKEYS.

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by: Mr Magoo This user has validated their user name.

Fri Mar 31 07:10:19 2017

The eBay Community forum is RIGGED  (as is the feedback process) The forum is policed by PAID employees of the company that set-up the site for eBay, and as such will prevent us warning of ANY underhand actions (scamming) by other ebayers, since we are FORBIDDEN...under ANY circumstances from NAMING and SHAMING, ''no matter what''.

Everything you say on the forum, is open to interpretation...  a MODERATOR'S interpretation of what is ''offensive, baiting, unfriendly etc...etc. Upset the applecart in ANY way, shape OR form, and at best your comment is censored/removed, or at worst? you will be BANNED...for LIFE.  

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by: RL15 This user has validated their user name.

Fri Mar 31 10:57:51 2017


fleacebay just keeps getting worse by the day.

in 2016 my fees were way down. but of course my sales were down 44%.

just like fleacebay glitch's only negatively impact sellers, their changes are never a positive for sellers.

"you asked, we listened. once again we will take more and give less"

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This user has validated their user name. by: eXtinctBay

Fri Mar 31 11:27:41 2017

.....and the savvy buyer of the lathe chuck can claim a SNAD when it doesn't fit his machine. Or it has a scratch or other defect ''that wasn't mentioned in the description''.

He knows the Toolguy won't spend $80 in shipping to get his $50 part back, so a new price negotiation takes place.

And if, say, the buyer shakes down the Guy for a $20-$30 discount, does the seller have his eBay fees on the refunded amount returned? NO. PayPal will issue a partial refund, but not eBay.

Of all the shortcomings of eBay, I feel the most egregious of all is a fee charged to the seller for shipping paid for by THE BUYER.

And, still with the unjust percentage of shipping cost fees they collect, their profits are still below 5%. Sad.



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by: hopeforthebest This user has validated their user name.

Fri Mar 31 11:36:39 2017

@toolguy...

I was joking, of course, but there are 7 protected classes in American law, via a number of Civil Rights Acts laws passed from the mid 1800's-1960's.

Discrimination due to Race, Color, Religion, National Origin, Sex ( meaning 'gender'  ) Disability, and Family Status is illegal.

Weight discrimination is not per se illegal. Airlines do indirectly charge by the pound; think aircraft load re fuel cost related to ticket price.

In many ways excess weight is effectively surcharged, for example clothing manufacturers charge more for 'big and tall' and 'plus' sizes.

And of course the USPS and other carriers charge by weight and volume, which, as it does not apply directly to people, does not fall under any of those classes.

Unless, I suppose, you're shipping people... :)

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by: Lightning This user has validated their user name.

Mon Apr 3 01:38:04 2017

If a seller is collecting $40 retail for shipping, it's likely that the actual cost of the shipping is less if you use Ebay Shipping for the label.  So you probably save 10% due to ebay's group buying power through USPS.  Then you give it back to ebay in FV fees.  You break even, the buyer pays what he expects to pay, it's just not a big deal.  Unless you are mad because you didn't MAKE money on the shipping. I didn't know that was the goal.

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by: comet This user has validated their user name.

Mon Apr 3 03:21:33 2017

@Lightening---I  just  noticed  something  interesting  today.  I sell a light weight item  that I know  exactly how much it  costs to ship  so I charge a FLAT RATE  in  the US.  My rate  is  a few cents over $5 to ship;  when I  sold one of these  today and went to grab  the addy I noticed  that EBAY is  now  showing  the cost as almost $7 to ship-!  Here's  the thing===I do NOT BUY POSTAGE from  ebay;  have  quite clearly opted OUT of that;  Post my FLAT RATE in the correct  spots--and--I am left  wondering--is  ebay charging on the basis  of a COMPLETELY FALSE  AND FRAUDULENT POSTAGE  cost  THEY made up?  
I will check  this more  carefully tomorro;  just  too late  now!  

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by: Lightning This user has validated their user name.

Mon Apr 3 04:14:41 2017

@comet - I need to get YOUR rates.  

I think the lowest I have seen currently on Ebay Shipping is $5.70 for a Flat Rate Priority envelope, or just about any paper Priority envelope, give or take a dime.  But that is showing as retail $6.65, which is correct according to the USPS site  http://postcalc.usps.com/  The padded envelope is 55 cents more, Ebay cost.  

Ebay pumping up the rates? Could happen.  It would only hurt sales, so that's right up their alley.  They're not the smartest company.  

What I have found interesting on these boards, though, is that everyone complains about ebay fees.  Amazon charges way more, and hardly a mention.  I'm paying about 11.5% for ebay and paypal combined, which will go up to 12.5% next month.  Amazon is 15.5%.  So right now, Amazon charges a full one third more than ebay and paypal combined.  That's huge.  I hate paying fees to ebay, but hate Amazon a whole lot more. I can't knock ebay when they are pricing way below their competition.

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by: Windkissed This user has validated their user name.
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Mon Apr 3 08:42:32 2017

How is that unfair.  The post office charges by weight and girth. Its a fact that you pay by weight first.

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This user has validated their user name. by: LasVagueness

Mon Apr 3 16:45:27 2017

Toolguy's logic makes perfect sense. We are paying the collective price for a few who gamed the system. One advantage selling on eBay is access to their SmartPost mailing service which brings down shipping rates substantially.  

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