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Tue July 1 2014 10:44:03

Other Venues Where You're Having Success

By: Reader

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Dear Ina,
Would others who say they have such success on venues other than eBay please be kind enough to share the names of those websites? Some sellers do name some sites, but those who claim such success at other sites often do not name the sites where they have such wonderful success! Have some empathy for your fellow sellers, and share, please!

Others have spoken of using FBA at Amazon. That's great if you have the wherewithal to buy large quantities of inventory for FBA. For the small seller, while it might be possible, FBA is just not practical.

I have looked into a number of other venues over time and the reviews just turn me off the idea of signing up with them. I realize that the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and those people are often negative complainers, but let's hear some positive reviews of venues where you have been successful!

I agree that eBay is where the traffic is, and as a small seller, I am surprised - and glad - that eBay has pretty much left me alone - so far. But the defect thing (which I will have to live with - can't do anything about it - I'll just continue to give good customer service) and the 90-day returns thing (which I am not going to sign up for, resulting in the loss of exposure in search) could bring down my little business.

I am on Bonanza and Amazon, but don't make many sales on either venue. On Bonanza there is not that much traffic yet. On Amazon, my competitors are very big sellers who sell at low prices - one Amazon competitor sells retail at what I have to pay wholesale.

I have a shop on 11 Main, but they are still in beta and I have not had any sales yet. I am not whining, just explaining that the other venues I am on are just not working for me.

I would love to have my own website, but we're senior citizens and the money to get started is just not available. I don't think I am the only one in this boat!!!
JNP




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by: NetWatch This user has validated their user name.
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Tue Jul 1 11:03:46 2014

What you are witnessing, experiencing, and describing is how the eBay/PayPal monopoly has essentially held down the traffic growth of other online selling sites. When 90,000 plus small sellers get suspended in August on Ebay from the Defect Rate, those smalls sellers will go SOMEWHERE to keep selling. That will provide an enormous boost in traffic for the sites to which they migrate.

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by: RCL This user has validated their user name.

Tue Jul 1 11:57:04 2014

Right now I am doing well at eBay and Etsy. But really, Etsy is impossible to search logically and eBay sales go belly up on the whim of some algorithm. It is what it is EVERYWHERE.

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by: Terry in Texas This user has validated their user name.

Tue Jul 1 13:15:13 2014

it doesn't take much to set up your own website. go daddy.com to buy your domain name. then try bigcommerce.com or shopify.com. they have nice templates and good customer service. monthly rates are around $30-35 which is less than an ebay premium store. shopify seems to me to be a little easier to navigate and make changes too. but both will let you take paypal or stripe for multi credit cards and their take rate is exactly the same as paypal.

ask one of your children or grandkids to help. the hard part is getting your site exposed online and found in searches. but you can put a flyer in with your ebay sale with a coupon for your personal site (that's what i do). and you can harvest paypal emails and use mail chimp or another service to send out bulk mailings to prior ebay customers. and facebook as a way to advertise your site. again, get assistance from your kids/grandkids. it does take time but i figure since i'm selling only 20 items a month on ebay, it's okay to spend a few months building traffic to my own site.  BECAUSE I'M IN CHARGE. that's the best part.

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This user has validated their user name. by: iheartjacksparrow

Tue Jul 1 13:50:28 2014

When I decided to leave eBay in 2008, I looked at various alt sites and settled on eCrater. They don't charge listing fees or final value fees, you can have up to ten photos for each item, and you can have as few or as many items in your store as you want. They only recently began charging a small fee if a sale comes through the eCrater site; sales resulting from Google, Bing, etc., searches are are still free. And best of all, no one interferes with your business model, doesn't tell you what price you should be selling your items for, and you aren't labeled as "defective."

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by: pace306 This user has validated their user name.

Tue Jul 1 16:45:03 2014

There are only 2 major players in the online game besides having your own website - eBay and Amazon.

Smart shoppers check both places and decide where to buy based on shipping location, price and shipping charges.

Each (from a buyers perspective) has its good & bad points, but as a buyer, in both places you are always "prtected from the bad evil seller" LMAO.

Rakouten, Sears, 11Main are all also rans (I dodnt include Etsy since they dont have certain categories that alot of us here sell in).

What you "should do" is spend some money setting up a feed (spreadsheet you can electronically upload to ALL the sites) and take it from there. Your biggest issue will be balancing inventory.

eBay can produce sales, the problem is (as stated here 100000000000000000000x a day) its not a level playing field. At least on Amazon it is.

Amazon is tough - they are no walk in the park, but then again you are agreeing to play in their sandbox - and you hav to abide by their rules - like them or not. They expect that you will NOT always like the outcome of the A-Z issues and the feeedbacks - getting involved in Amazon means that sometimes - you WILL loose moeny. The offset is that you can move tonnage.

Thats why we all are so critical with eBay. eBay unlike Amazon lies. Amazon says "if you dont like it leave", eBay says "we are just a venue" then clubs you over the head and kicks you wen you are down.

eBay does many many things that boarder and are illegal (a forced TOS/US does not trump US trade law or any other kind of law) yet they get away with it - with impunity.

Amazon vets their customers up to a point, theres no such thing as unpaid sales, theres no VERO bullying (VERO accepts money to have listings removed)($150 per 1/2 hr rate if you are looking to kick someone off eBay), no shill bidding and no customer fraud (customers can lie in their charges against sellers and are let go by eBay since sellers are the dirt JD wipes off his shoes).

Use both to your advantage. Put flyers in every package, let people know you do special orders, give volume discounts, ship internationally - make being on eBay and Amazon "worth it".

Only time will tell if11main turns into anything at all. So far (Im on it) its a big ZERO - but lets see ....

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by: Mr. Me This user has validated their user name.

Tue Jul 1 22:08:03 2014

Success .....
eCrater, etsy, craigslist. reverb.

Absolutely no headaches or entitled customers lately !

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This user has validated their user name. by: Marie

Wed Jul 2 02:02:56 2014

@netWatch

Where are you getting that number from?

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by: jaydee This user has validated their user name.

Wed Jul 2 08:48:30 2014

We have the most success from our website, which we promote on google and in any item shipped from other venues like ebay, amazon, etsy, etc.



Our website is the most stable, and we put all our efforts into our website, our website prices are lower then any other venue, and We add coupons and promote special deals if the next purchase is from our website.

3 years ago, We finally learned our lesson, the hard way, Ebay taught us to NEVER put 100% into any venue other then OUR OWN, no mater what venue we sell on we ALWAYS select a user name that matches our website name, this way if the venue ever goes insane (like ebay has) our customers can always find us.

We don't care about what ebay, amazon or etsy does, with their business, we are in FULL control of our business not them.

We learned a lot from ebay, and we are still selling there as a TRS, (just barely)and we really don't give a S#1T what they do, but if they ever give us the boot we will cut all ties to them including there little gem PAYPAL !!!

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by: jaydee This user has validated their user name.

Wed Jul 2 09:25:14 2014

@pace306

Just to be clear we are a VERO member at ebay, as a Vero member, yes, we can take any listing down we think that is violating our product, but it is not done without great consideration, we are legally liable if we wrongfully do it.

There is no money involved, and if you have been victim of a wrong takedown, you should sue the Vero member. for loss of income.

 

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This user has validated their user name. by: Marie

Wed Jul 2 11:18:52 2014

@jaydee

To sue Vero takes money.  When Vero members go after small or medium size sellers, they know darn good and well the chances are slim to none that a law suit will result.

Some Vero members could care less what havoc they cause a seller.  Even when that Vero member is wrong.  

I've had this happen to me and I've known other members as well.  We have no way to get it fixed either as paying a lawyer is not in our budgets.  

Vero is unstructured, unregulated and completely unfair in the way it functions  today.  There are no checks and balances.  Vero and many Vero members are just bullies.  Just like Ebay.

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by: HarmonyGroveAntiques This user has validated their user name.
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Wed Jul 2 15:55:40 2014

We sell antique and mid-century furniture. Our main source of sales is still eBay but we have been very hapy with our sales on Etsy! THere are many weeks when our Etsy sales blow away eBay's...with much less stress...and much lower fees!

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by: jaydee This user has validated their user name.

Wed Jul 2 16:40:09 2014

@Marie

Over the years, we have had to shut down a few listings due to piracy / selling,  unfortunately it's our only way to protect our products, when someone steals it and is selling it over and over again.

The signed Vero agreement we fax to ebay, states we assume 100%  responsibility  for all liabities, and ebay zero, it's quite the legal document, since it bears all the responsibity and all liabilities on us alone, we never hap hazardly use it, and only as a last resort,  we always contact first to please stop and remove the listing.
If people are abusing the ebay vero process, they are playing with fire, I can guarentee, (as per the agreement signed for every single vero)  if they are wrong , they will LOOSE, and will have to pay damages.

I think it would be difficult to do 12+ years at ebay without being vero'ed at least once and we have been vero'ed ourselves, mostly accidently using trademarked names, but if someone was screwing with our listings with the ebay vero process,  you bet I would sue their a$$ off, or at least threaten and demand to be compensated for the loss.  

ebay needed a way to remove themselves from all liabilities, so they invented Vero , and they deal out free Vero powers to anyone like candy,  and that's why there is abuse, just another ebay created problem that has never been fixed.

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by: pace306 This user has validated their user name.

Wed Jul 2 20:08:14 2014

Jaydee - you may be the ONE and only honest VERO member in eBay - I'll take your word since we have never had dealings to to prove otherwise :)

HOWEVER, Ive been here since 1998 and have had my share of VERO battles ... and its always funny that in the end - I win and am found to be right.

Ive NEVER been sued, never been fined, never found to have been fraudulant in any way shape or form.

eBAy structored VERO to be a one sided too, an AXE that blugeons sellers like baby seals on hunting day in Alaska.

Ive had battles with Sony, Denon, Kenwood, Cobra, SMS, Monster, Skullcandy and more. All of them - becuase they "had a feeling" I was up to no good, a "feeling" that my item was fake. Were any of my items purchased? NO. Were any examined? NO.

Skullcandy went ahead and told eBay that they wouldnt open a store on eBay until all the sellers they "didnt recognize" were removed - and VERO tried. They claimed "fake" - but I pulled out an invoice from thier distributor to silence them. What sis eBay do? NOTHING - not even an appology.

DMCA section 107 provides for fake DMCA takedowns - but its not smething eBay ever heard of (of course).

Alot of the other geniuses do the "you cant list your items on eBay for sale in the EU game, and eBay goes along with it. Of course the magix secrets is that its aloowed ONLY IF YOU USE GLOBAL SHIPPING ... well isnt THAT a coincidence.

Most of these comapnies with big shot lawyers dont know Cf. Ty, Inc. v. Publications Int'l Ltd, 292 F.3d 512 (7th Cir. 2002). That ruling states that EVEN COPYRIGHTABLE PICS (never mind box shots) ARE LEGAL TO USE FOR RESALE PURPOSES. Guess how many Ive had to fight?

Sony uses Netenforcers, alot of the remaining use verowatch.com - $150 a 1/2 hr to remove people from the net and eBay.

Ive got more stories then you do :) - its bad because eBay created a system where big companies can bulyy small sellers (never happens on Amazon).

If ANYONE sells fakes etc they deserve to have the "book" thrown at them - but THAT isnt me.

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by: jaydee This user has validated their user name.

Wed Jul 2 22:52:34 2014

Wow, that's incredible, I had no idea it's that bad, what a disgraceful mess !!!

 

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by: Garcia This user has validated their user name.
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Wed Jul 2 22:53:36 2014

Yes, 11Main is a big zero, but right now it is free until the end of the year.  No sales by then and I am out of there.  Too complicated to work with as it stands now, so they would have show sales or it is not worth the effort.

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by: wenn1 This user has validated their user name.

Wed Jul 2 23:12:49 2014

I too am a senior looking for another outlet that has good traffic on it and where people are having success. Been on eBay 15 years now and sales have fallen so bad it almost is not worth the time it takes to do the listings. No one wants to pay what the items are worth and they expect free shipping to boot. Amazon has not been good either because of all the new commercial items now. Need some sharing please. Thanks  

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by: comet This user has validated their user name.

Thu Jul 3 00:40:01 2014

@TERRY IN TEXAS---

Really?  Must you be such a snot to the OP?  Who suggested they were not CAPABLE of doing the work themselves?  AS I read it--they don't ness WANT to go thru the effort and possible expense of doing it at ALL.

Which is certainly understandable. And they might not be privy to sources you know of for saving on this stuff.

However--to patronizingly tell them to GO ASK YOUR GRANDKIDS---Well in MY CASE the grandkids are 3 and 7.  Clever the both of them.  But hardly world class web site builders.  This week.

IF I was your mother I would slap the silly right outta you.

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by: pfft!! This user has validated their user name.

Thu Jul 3 00:48:27 2014

LOL at garcia declaring 11 Main "a big zero".  Obviously you're not paying much attention.  The site is not even "LIVE" yet.  They're still in beta and only using a few "invited" shoppers or those looky loos who WANT to register and shop.  But they're not even Publicly OPEN to everyone.  No wonder you're not selling.  
and if that's "too complicated" for you to understand maybe it WOULD be better to leave..LOL

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by: cosqueen This user has validated their user name.

Thu Jul 3 05:18:04 2014

Pfft! you are right!  All good things come to those who wait.... I am waiting for 11 Main to blow everyone else away and when it does I am having a party for myself and everyone else selling there.  My expectations are high based on my personal experience there and the care they have taken to establish 11 Main.  I AM impressed and cannot wait for their success!

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by: Moonwishes This user has validated their user name.
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Thu Jul 3 08:08:11 2014

I sell on ecrater and on Amazon. One of the biggest things you have to remember, especially on a site like ecrater is that you have your own store. Although your store items shows up on ecrater's main marketplace and if a sale comes through there, you pay a minor fee. On ecrater you are expected to do your own promoting and marketing, although ecrater does send in a feed several times a week to Google shopping. You also are responsible to set up a professional looking store and maintain it professionally. It isn't like ecrater insists on a 'professional' store. As long as you follow a few minor rules, they don't get in your way, but if you insist on opening a store with fuzzy photos, misspellings and grammar mistakes by the bucketful, and are trying to sell stuff that thousands of others are signed up to sell, well don't be surprised if you don't end up with much in the way of sales. This would hold true with just about any store type venue.

I have seen so many newbies think that it doesn't matter how they set up their store and then whine about no sales. Give yourself a break and decide to do it right in the first place and see the difference. This way sites aren't giving you the big zero in sales (especially if the venue isn't even 'open' yet)! There is no route to quick and easy sales on any venue. It will take work and no matter what venue you sell on you have to put the work in and don't expect that with 10-20 items your stuff will show up on page one of a Google search for that product and that you will sell out in a week! One new seller was complaining about lack of sales when he had somewhere in the vicinity of 35 items listed. When I asked him how much he hoped to sell in a month, he said 60 items a month. You do the math! I have over 8000 items listed on ecrater and even though I sell regularly there, I have rarely have sold 60 items a month. So if you want to sell a lot, have a lot to sell.

I have seen refugees from eBay come to ecrater and it is apparent why they didn't have much in the way of sales there as well once you see how they have set up their store on places like ecrater. I left eBay years ago, and I had been successful there until Meg came along and started with the changing of the rules (I don't blame JD for all of it, Meg started the mess) so I found a different place that would welcome me and my successful store and that was ecrater after researching and trying out several other venues. I've been happy here, but things are slower than they were so now more effort is needed now to bring in the sales.

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