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by Ina Steiner, Editor of EcommerceBytes.com
Sun Jan 18 2015 13:08:43

eBay Sellers Say They Are Victims of Notorious Pastor

By: Ina Steiner

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eBay sellers of vintage furniture are complaining about a company called TSC Moving, which is owned by a controversial pastor from Florida. You might remember Rev. Terry Jones from when he threatened to burn Qurans at staged protests despite pleas from the U.S. military not to do so.

It turns out Rev. Jones operates an eBay business as well as a furniture-moving company that specializes in vintage furniture.

Today, the TSC Moving website displays a message stating it is insolvent and unable to continue doing business. Website Brandenton.com said antique dealers from across the country were sharing their stories of not being able to get answers from the Rev. Terry Jones on whether they will ever get their possessions back.

Brandenton.com reported, "Jones and his brother operate TSC Moving, which ships furniture across the country. The company was started in Gainesville in 2008 but has since moved its base to Atlanta while maintaining its corporate address in Bradenton. The phone number is disconnected and contact information has been removed from TSC's website."

According to an EcommerceBytes reader, TSC Moving was slow, but customers tolerated them because they were affordable. "We all thought we were hiring a company developed to meet the unique needs of those who just need a piece or two safely transported (at a fair price)."

TSC Moving's website now displays a message saying "TS & Company LLC is insolvent and is not able to continue doing business. We regret this greatly. You can be assured your furniture is wrapped and intact." It then states items will be available for pickup in Delaware or Atlanta on certain dates. "Proper identification and paperwork will be required to receive any items."

But as our reader observed, "If people around the country had to hire them to transport things, how do they expect people to go on certain days to retrieve their possessions that were picked up but never delivered?"

The reader explained that TSC Moving had come highly recommended and they and others had included links to the company in their eBay furniture listings.

TSC Moving ran a special promotion during the holidays. "Thanks to their 20% December promotion (which they started advertising a month earlier), they certainly raised a lot of cash (since customers pay for orders when they are placed) - and based on what I have been reading about all of the arms of this operation, they probably never had any intention of continuing with operations after the December influx of cash," the reader speculated. "The messes created for both sellers and buyers could certainly involve tens of thousands of online transactions (and perhaps more) just in recent months alone."

What do you do when a supplier, vendor, or business partner leaves you in the lurch?

(See more information in Monday's EcommerceBytes Newsflash.)




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This user has validated their user name. by: Philip Cohen

Sun Jan 18 14:12:03 2015

"a controversial pastor"—Only in America ...

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by: Steevo This user has validated their user name.

Sun Jan 18 14:59:45 2015

Haha.

''We're so cheap we're losing money''.

No kidding.  

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This user has validated their user name. by: Map

Sun Jan 18 15:09:23 2015

From a koran burner to a fry burner.

Maybe being a full time social security recipient would be a ideal job for him now.

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by: Massachusets Howler This user has validated their user name.

Sun Jan 18 15:16:10 2015

Snag the $$$ and disappear, ebay is going to see more and more of this- as ebay has gone immoral sellers leave ebay with a slap back in their face. HOPEFULLY those buyers will be reimbursed from ebay, but do not hold your breath......

And what has ebay done?

Ebay has set up an ILLEGAL MULTILANE INTERNET ON THEIR SITE WHICH IS ILLEGAL! 1 clear lane for big box with GLORIOUS exposure and another muddled lane for us, with NO EXPOSURE.
This is why it is VERY VERY important to NOT support the partitioning of the internet.

These Ayn Rand companies just IGNORE the law and do what they want- is is all about supporting greed, greed, greed with no apologies or concern for anybody. Load the torpedos and do what we want says ebay!

Ebay has actually set up a VERY ILLEGAL SYSTEM 100% IGNORING that giving all the bandwith/exposure for BIG BOX and leaving others in the slow lane is ILLEGAL.
They are fighting this here in Washington, DC but ebay doesn't care if it is ILLEGAL, they just do it anyway.

Nobody is defending people who burn the Quoran, you pay to ship- your item should be shipped but more and more sellers are going to leave this way out of REVENGE.

It is 100% illegal to partition our exposure- setting up differing levels of exposure for big box and small sellers is an issue for the FTC and everybody should report ebay for this!!

Each time the FTC has DONE NOTHING so ebay goes farther and FARTHER with these "policies" that some folks here LIKE to defend.

THIS is what they have done, and it has KILLED us.
MH

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This user has validated their user name. by: Anonymous Annie

Sun Jan 18 16:24:01 2015

I expect that it won't be long before we see these ''unclaimed'' items being auctioned-off on an upcoming episode of TV's ''Auction Hunters''.

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by: Ebay Seller-Ebay Buyer This user has validated their user name.

Sun Jan 18 17:43:19 2015

Lots of businesses going under.  The article would be much better if the Ebay user id was revealed

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This user has validated their user name. by: Basset

Sun Jan 18 22:27:13 2015

Last seen at Fry Guys at the food court in the mall in Bradenton FL - until word got out in local media.  Per local news, mall management had a word with him to stay away and take his name off the lease.  Probably a good move on management's part.


Local media was all over the French Fry story for the past week or so.  This post was the first I heard about the trucking.  This guy sure pops up all over the place!


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by: Tiffee Jasso This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jan 19 01:30:18 2015

All I can see is all of small sellers that work so hard to what is right will pay for this W$%@# in Florida. We will also pay in cash (higher fees probably) for the sellers who opted or encouraged their buyers to use cheap shipping alternates. Actual hipping costs in time, gas, insurance, etc., are not subject to bargain prices.  How can one small company run furniture across the country for bargain prices?  That should have been the tip off right there. Unless Ebay recommended this con-man in Florida, I don't see them being at fault here. The sellers should take most of the blame and should have pay the price.  

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by: Moonwishes This user has validated their user name.
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Mon Jan 19 01:32:56 2015

The whole thing was bad enough and then I read the part about where they can pick up their items in Delaware and Atlanta! So if I'm reading this right, the people that got defrauded now have to spend money and time to travel to one of these cities (and how do they know which one) hoping they brought all the necessary paperwork to have their goods returned to them. At what travel and time expense??? Paying for the cost of the travel, hotel rooms, food, and all the time lost that they can't be running their business either so they will lose even more money. So I bet many will just take the loss and then someone will get to auction off all this abandoned property and keep the money they raise.

Reminds me of these class action law suits that show up in our mail box every year or so that tell you if you qualify that you can become part of this suit and then the fine print tells you the lawyers will make a certain amount and everyone else will get $15, no matter how much they lost to the dishonesty of a company. Defrauded people can never be made whole again anymore it seems. And it looks like in this case they won't be either.

Won't even say how much it gripes me that these nuts try to do this defrauding under the guise of being 'Christian' or a preacher! If they had read their Bible through at least once, they would know that dishonesty is WRONG!

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This user has validated their user name. by: Philip Cohen
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Mon Jan 19 03:41:57 2015

The people the "reverend" has taken to the cleaners can watch for their unclaimed stuff when it finally gets listed for sale on eBay; pick it up then for 99c with free shipping—LOL ...

The eBay executive suite—where the incompetent mingle with the disingenuous, the malevolent and the outright criminal, and the just plain stupid ... http://bit.ly/11F2eas


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by: KathleenJohnson This user has validated their user name.
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Mon Jan 19 06:14:12 2015

18 U.S. Code § 659 - Interstate or foreign shipments by carrier; State prosecutions

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Whoever embezzles, steals, or unlawfully takes, carries away, or conceals, or by fraud or deception obtains from any pipeline system, railroad car, wagon, motortruck, trailer, or other vehicle, or from any tank or storage facility, station, station house, platform or depot or from any steamboat, vessel, or wharf, or from any aircraft, air cargo container, air terminal, airport, aircraft terminal or air navigation facility, or from any intermodal container, trailer, container freight station, warehouse, or freight consolidation facility, with intent to convert to his own use any goods or chattels moving as or which are a part of or which constitute an interstate or foreign shipment of freight, express, or other property; or
Whoever buys or receives or has in his possession any such goods or chattels, knowing the same to have been embezzled or stolen; or
Whoever embezzles, steals, or unlawfully takes, carries away, or by fraud or deception obtains with intent to convert to his own use any baggage which shall have come into the possession of any common carrier for transportation in interstate or foreign commerce or breaks into, steals, takes, carries away, or conceals any of the contents of such baggage, or buys, receives, or has in his possession any such baggage or any article therefrom of whatever nature, knowing the same to have been embezzled or stolen; or
Whoever embezzles, steals, or unlawfully takes by any fraudulent device, scheme, or game, from any railroad car, bus, vehicle, steamboat, vessel, or aircraft operated by any common carrier moving in interstate or foreign commerce or from any passenger thereon any money, baggage, goods, or chattels, or whoever buys, receives, or has in his possession any such money, baggage, goods, or chattels, knowing the same to have been embezzled or stolen—

I would imagine the savvy seller has this shipment insured in some manner.

Actually, unless eBay specifically endorsed this carrier - this is in no way eBays issue other than, of course, how they "deal with it" via their rinkity dink feedback system.

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This user has validated their user name. by: Philip Cohen
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Mon Jan 19 09:19:35 2015

eBay takes no notice of U.S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 63, §1343, “Fraud by wire, radio, or television”, so why would anyone think that eBay would take any notice of 18 U.S. Code § 659?

The eBay executive suite—where the incompetent mingle with the disingenuous, the malevolent and the outright criminal, and the just plain stupid ... http://bit.ly/11F2eas

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by: VJ This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jan 19 11:21:56 2015

The pastor started a new business in fast food. Here is a link to his new business: http://www.bradenton.com/2015/01/09/5571202/florida-pastor-on-al-qaida
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by: VJ This user has validated their user name.
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Mon Jan 19 11:22:49 2015

Here is the link to the Pastors new business --  a fast food restaurant chain

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by: RichieC This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jan 19 12:18:51 2015

poor 1%'er

you should all feel sorry for the man of God! he tried so hard to create jobs, by shipping your junk at half price! all you should feel ashamed and give him a big tax free donation!  

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by: ebay refugee camp This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jan 19 13:04:09 2015

you will not get any help from ebay execs, those guys are lost in the bonus cash counting room neck deep in cash.

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by: Eric Saeger This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jan 19 13:09:15 2015

"Notorious Pastor" would make a good porn name.

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by: I Must be Crazy This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jan 19 13:37:22 2015

How awful this is for the sellers and the buyers. I hope this guy is bonded so perhaps these people can go after the bond carrier for some form of restitution.

As for the ebay part, I am not sure where the little graphic at the top of this article came from. But if it is a cut and paste from Ebay, I would consider the language ''shipping? solved'' with the Ebay logo to be implied endorsement of TCS. It would be assumed that ebay performed some sort of vetting process with a continued monitoring of performance. Much the same as the screws they torque down on every small seller on their site. This should work wonders for buyer satisfaction. And the ugly part is that the SELLERS are going to get the hammer for it. I can't even begin to imagine the thousands of dollars in refunds that is going to be taken out of sellers' accounts. I have to think several people are going to be forced out of business over this.  

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by: bm707576 This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jan 19 15:20:53 2015

Can someone clarify?  The way I read this article is sounds as though the good "rev" is a eBay valet service provider, correct? If so weren't they supposed to highly vetted by eBay?

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This user has validated their user name. by: Philip Cohen
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Mon Jan 19 15:50:13 2015

"Bonded carrier"? That reminds me of the FDIC insurance that most deposit taking banks have—but which eBay's "PreyPal" does not have—to cover depositors' funds in case of the corporation failing. You may as well deposit your "PreyPal" funds with the "notorious pastor" ...

The eBay executive suite—where the incompetent mingle with the disingenuous, the malevolent and the outright criminal, and the just plain stupid ... http://bit.ly/11F2eas

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