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Wed July 3 2013 22:17:00

Controversial Jersey on eBay Shines Spotlight on Deadbeat Bidders

By: Ina Steiner

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When skimming eBay news headlines on Wednesday, my eyes glazed over at all the "Aaron Hernandez jerseys selling on eBay" coverage. He's the New England Patriots NFL football player at the center of a murder investigation, and most of the articles, I assumed, were marveling that the jerseys were being bid up to crazy amounts in the usual frenzy in the midst of a controversy or tragedy.

But one headline caught my eye: "Vigilante takes to eBay to thwart auctioning of Aaron Hernandez's jersey" - from Yahoo Sports.

The Yahoo writer said the inflated prices of the Hernandez jerseys may have been driven by at least one rogue eBayer "who placed repeated bids on Hernandez jerseys only to refuse to pay after winning the auctions."

Yahoo Sports was able to find details of 15 Hernandez jerseys the supposed buyer had "bought," he wrote, totaling $3,806 at an average of just over $250 a jersey.

But what was really different about this "controversial item gets high bids on eBay" article was that the writer explored what options the sellers had if the winning bidders refused to pay.

A lawyer said sellers could seek punitive damages in the civil courts. "They would need to prove intentional interference with a prospective economic relationship. Given the situation here, there is certainly a possibility that criteria would be met," Los Angeles attorney Christopher W. Blaylock said, and even mentioned the possibility of an FTC investigation.

But how realistic is it really to pursue a deadbeat bidder in court?

How difficult is it to deal with deadbeat buyers on eBay or through other auction venues, and is it much of a problem in your experience?




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by: NullApps This user has validated their user name.
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Thu Jul 4 01:25:45 2013

One person pursuing a deadbeat is extremely unlikely.  But if those 15 sellers decided to team up maybe they could do something about it.

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This user has validated their user name. by: Philip Cohen
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Thu Jul 4 03:06:06 2013

Get Carmen Ortiz on the job, she's demonstrated a penchant for pursuing relatively petty, unlawful activity—to the death, in some cases ...

Too bad she won't do anything about the master facilitator of massive fraud on consumers, eBay Inc ... http://bit.ly/11F2eas

Must be something to do with the size of the perpetrator, I guess; relatively helpless individuals are so much easier to squash underfoot ...

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by: Bloggo This user has validated their user name.

Thu Jul 4 03:24:56 2013

One thing is for sure, eBay will do nothing about it.

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by: sickandtired This user has validated their user name.

Thu Jul 4 09:58:03 2013

I think ebay is a day late and a dollar short of ever being able or wanting to do anything about deadbeats.
Years ago, when this was a thriving auction site, many of us on the old DNF board suggested and supported the idea that all users, not just sellers had to register with a credit card. Then if a buyer failed to pay and the seller did not agree to cancel the transaction then a small "restocking" fee would be charged to the buyer which would be paid to the seller.

My feeling was that the amount should be equivalent to the fees plus a small percentage of the item price. I think one backcharge like that would make deadbeats a one off. These days buyers fail to pay with impunity and rarely even have the courtesy to contact sellers with a request to cancel the sale.

I have no problem doing so when asked but get more than annoyed by the ones who buyers never respond to the invoice, payment reminder and ebay's npb alert.

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This user has validated their user name. by: Ming the Merciless

Thu Jul 4 14:40:58 2013

I have no sympathy for any of the parties -- those who traffic in human tragedy or those who defraud them (in this case).

If ebafia were to put a restocking fee on a deadbeat bidder's credit card, they'd be opening up a huge and expensive can of worms in the form of hundreds of thousands of unauthorized charge claims.

A much simpler method would be to require the credit card for ID purposes, issue a warning after the first non payment, a 90 day suspension after the second, and a NARU on the third.

One other thing that those sellers here who can report to credit bureaus could do would be to report deadbeats to these credit bureaus.

Why should ebafia care about deadbeats? Deadbeats actually help their dishonest financial reports to Wall Streets because they count these deadbeat 'sales' count in their GMV.

Ebafia earns interest on the listing and FVF fees for several days and even up to a month depending on when the NPB occurs during your billing cycle and how long you give deadbeats before filing.

If it's unfair, sleazy, dishonest, devious, deceitful, unethical or illegal, you can count on ebafia doing it.

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by: Bloggo This user has validated their user name.

Thu Jul 4 18:52:56 2013

I used to get, at most, one or two non-paying buyer's per year. Sometimes none. I now consistently get 3-4 per month.

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by: Patricia This user has validated their user name.

Thu Jul 4 19:33:20 2013

It used to take only 4 reports from sellers on a deadbeat and he was gone from the site.  Of course, if you're as desperate as Ebay to keep buyers at all costs...then anything goes...

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This user has validated their user name. by: iheartjacksparrow

Thu Jul 4 21:53:22 2013

When I started on eBay, the rule was a buyer was gone when he/she received three unpaid item strikes. Then, I think it was around 2005, a kid won something like 15 auctions for action figures, and didn't pay for any of them. This was back when sellers could still leave negative feedback for buyers. I communicated with the other sellers and they had all filed for unpaid items, but I could see he was still registered. I spoke to a CSR, and asked why he was still allowed to be registered. The response: eBay would remove him if he continued to show a pattern of non-payment. Huh? How many more auctions did this kid need to ruin?

I've always thought that on the second non-payment a buyer should be NARU'd. I realize that emergencies do come up that could prevent a person from completing a transaction, but it's very suspicious when they can't pay a second time.

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by: Cloud This user has validated their user name.

Thu Jul 4 23:35:59 2013

Deadbeat bidders have exploded on ebay. I've never understood why they didn't leave an item available until it was paid for, especially when they did away with paper payments. I could see where it might be a bit of an issue in an auction but no reason at all on buy nows.

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This user has validated their user name. by: InternetCarScams
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Thu Jul 4 23:49:23 2013

eBay is nothing but a pay toilet. eBay motors infested with scammers phishing buyers out of many thousands all with eBay's lack of concern for their shoppers. Check out today's blog post and video. This new phishing scam as steals victims money and identity. Los Gatos CA 43,000 Gone! It's sad and nothing is being done to secure the venue.

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by: comet This user has validated their user name.

Fri Jul 5 01:05:33 2013

@INTERNETCARSCAMS--

Was there a link to see this blog and video?  I am sure we would like to see this or at least know where to go to do that.  Thanks!

As far as ebay goes--re paying attention to NON PAYING BIDDERS--they are NOT "buyers" because they did not in fact BUY anything--if anything the proper term might be THIEVES as they have stolen the buyers MONEY;  their TIME and in some cases their REPUTATION.

All with the complete complicity of ebay.

In every case where there is money to be STOLEN from a seller--ebay will be waiting in the wings;  hands on their calculators;  laughing hysterically.  

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This user has validated their user name. by: InternetCarScams
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Fri Jul 5 01:37:57 2013

Just click where it says website above. Cant paste link with this phone I'm using. Loss articles left sidebar, vids are at YouTube link.

I've made videos mostly daily showing the fraud for 90 days. Check out the playlist for seller karl.moo what a scam spree he went on.

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This user has validated their user name. by: The End

Fri Jul 5 04:31:40 2013

Now we have the ammo with which to Sue The Daylights out of Ebay.
"Prove intentional interference with a prospective economic relationship".
By forcing PayPal and not allowing us to say in our listings "NO PAYPAL, Postal Money Orders and Personal / Business checks accepted", Ebay is intentionally interfering with our prospective economic relationship with an interested party.

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by: FREDDY This user has validated their user name.

Fri Jul 5 10:46:27 2013

@The end.  ebay is guilty - nothing will be done. You would be surprised what money can buy.  

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by: frustrated This user has validated their user name.

Fri Jul 5 12:12:39 2013

I had a close friend who bid on a limited edition Mustang back in 2008.

After he didn't win it, he received almost the IDENTICAL e-mail as the one pictured in internetcarscams Website. The only changes were that this wasa a fake 2nd chance offer.

The other important change was, this supposed "Seller" had his first and last name, and his address,right in the e-mail.

This is done so the "mark" will think this must be the legitimate seller, right????

Thank GOODNESS he called me first. I told him in no uncertain terms, the seller NEVER has even your first name if you are a non-winning bidder, and no way can he get one. And wouldn't have an address until you paid.

Meanwhile, he would have lost close to $20 grand.

PS to the story, has never once used eaby again after this.

So if ebay thinks they are going to turn a blind eye to this stuff, they should think again. To drive away nearly every non-winning bidder on a car is crazy. Those are the very buyers we NEEEEEED.

People who have 10s of thousands of dollars in disposable income.

Why are they allowing this??

It isn't making them a dime, and it's costing them DEARLY.

I cannot imagine anyone who ever got one of these mails, even not responding to it, EVER trusting ebay with their info again.

LIKE, EVER.

And so how are they doing it?

Two possibilities.Either the original auction is a scam to begin with, winners are relatives, friends. (can you say SHILL??) OR ebay motors is hacked.

There is no other explanation.

And the sellers of these scam vehicles keep on going and going.

**So you want complicity in a federal crime?**

That would qualify, if you're askin' me.  I am no lawyer. But ebay is allowing this, and not doing ONE THING about it. And if you tell me they don't know, I will tell you you're a total moron. Almost every victim reports it, ebay couldn't care less.

"can't prove it's the seller...." and other idiotic excuses. And it's been going on since about 2006. (can you say CLASS ACTION X 5,000 plaintiffs?)

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by: frustrated This user has validated their user name.

Fri Jul 5 12:19:59 2013

PS

You guys think they care a fig about a shill or deadbeat bidder on a JERSEY??

Really?

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by: papergoy This user has validated their user name.

Sat Jul 6 07:49:24 2013

by: Ming the Merciless
     
Thu Jul 4 14:40:58 2013
I have no sympathy for any of the parties -- those who traffic in human tragedy or those who defraud them (in this case).


Apparently Ming the Merciless has never heard of "Innocent until proven guilty."  At this point, Aaron Hernandez has not done anything wrong under the law to, in his world, keep me from selling his jersey.  I wonder though if Ming gets so upset over people who sell books about World War II and Adolf Hitler, about Al Capone, about Jack the Ripper, etc.  Or is Ming (gasp) selective about his outrage?  

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This user has validated their user name. by: InternetCarScams
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Sat Jul 6 10:42:35 2013

Frustrated, thanks for your comment. I really enjoy reading the posts and comments on this website.

I made another video last night and mentioned this website and topic in a positive light. Hopefully it bring the Steiner's a few more subscribers. http://www.ebaymotorssucks.com/2013/07/05/ebay-motors-autos-phishing-a
nd-second-chance-offer-scams/

eBay
is not taking these blatant scams down. The Ford F-350 Dually Powerstroke is still running this morning. It's on it's second listing, who knows how many bidders have been phished by scam second chance offers.

I wished Mrs. Steiner would do an article on this situation. Vehicle scams are the most costly fraud on the net. Folks are loosing big money and apparently eBay could care less.
 

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This user has validated their user name. by: Ming the Merciless

Sat Jul 6 15:19:16 2013

I am very familiar with the legal system and how the courts work, papergoy.

I never said Hernandez was guilty.

But the fact remains that a murder was committed by him or by someone else, and sellers are opportunistically using this tragedy to make blood money regardless of who committed the murder.

I find your analogies to be irrelevant, and I pity you if you can't see the difference between an accused murder's jersey and a book about Adolph Hitler.

Perhaps if you like me had suffered through the vicious and random murders of very close innocent relatives, you'd feel very differently.

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by: Massachusets Howler This user has validated their user name.

Sat Jul 6 19:57:03 2013

It may be legal to sell such items but it is not kind to benefit from misery.
It is akin to selling a Columbine sweatshirt and knowing it will go high as there are sick folks who get off owning these items.

Nice sellers will not sell swastickas, things pertaining to the ''n word'', things that promote hate, kkk GARBAGE; etc.

A jersey like this I see slightly less offensive, but many of the nicer folks might be offended by it so most nice sellers would not list it.

The issue here is not what type of items are good or bad on ebay but why this fellow could ''make his statement'' with no intention to buy, and that ebay has done very little to remove non-paying ''SPORT'' bidders off the site.
We all need to be protected by this sport bidding.

MB

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