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Tue May 16 2023 10:27:50

Are Zero Fees for Private Sellers Working on eBay Germany?

By: Ina Steiner

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eBay made a major change in Germany on March 1st by making it free for "private" (casual) sellers to sell on the platform. Not only did eBay waive listing fees for non-business sellers, but those sellers don't have to pay commission fees either.

eBay Germany said at the time that the new fee structure would add to the selection of items available on the marketplace and said consumers who sell on eBay.de often buy on the platform - all to the benefit of fee-paying business sellers.

Eleven weeks later, eBay called the move a success and cited the following statistics:

- The number of items placed by private individuals on eBay.de increased by more than a quarter (26 percent). 

- The number of private individuals who have items listed for sale on eBay.de increased by more than 29 percent. 

- The percentage of items listed by private sellers that sell successfully increased after the fee change.

- The number of private individuals who use eBay.de both to buy and to sell has increased by 14 percent.

Sellers have always been sensitive to the impact of free listings on visibility. eBay itself struggled when it attempted to integrate Stores inventory into the core platform. (eBay rolled out Stores in Search in February 2006, but rolled it back a month later, telling sellers that the volume of Store items had hurt the core marketplace. It eventually converted Store inventory to fixed-price listings and moved them to the core platform in March of 2010.)

Some principles to keep in mind:

- Sellers are buyers and vice versa, so getting people to sell will theoretically boost their buying activity as well. (This worked much better when funds were placed in casual sellers' PayPal accounts, treated as "mad money.")

- Boosting the number of sellers without boosting the number of buyers is harmful to the existing sellers.

- However, increasing the selection of goods on the platform has the potential to attract new buyers.

Former eBay seller Mark Steier who writes about ecommerce on his website Wortfilter.de seemed receptive to eBay's message that the strategy of free listings for private sellers was working in his article today. But, he said more information was needed. "Despite all the theory and plausibility of the announced and expected developments, everyone would be happy if there were more figures. The reported 14% increase in buyers/sellers is a bit thin. What about the commercial dealers, has their GMV increased? Are commercial traders expecting too much when they want to know this number?"

When eBay announced the fee change in February, we wondered if the marketplace would become flooded with listings, making it even harder to stand out, pressuring business sellers to pay for an extra boost through eBay's Promoted Listing advertising programs. We would add to Mark's request by asking for more information about the change in eBay Germany's ad revenue. It would also be interesting to know if the additional inventory did add to the *selection* of goods rather than just adding more of the same items already available.

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by: AddyUp This user has validated their user name.

Tue May 16 10:40:45 2023

There has to be more of a payback than eBay are citing. Apart from the obvious one of it's free, so non business sellers can't complain when their ad all but disappears amongst the sponsored listings.

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by: pace306 This user has validated their user name.

Tue May 16 14:50:10 2023

NOTHING in life is free - especially on eBay.

Somebody somewhere is paying for that "FREE", and when they ask what it gets THEM - thats when eBay will have to pay the piper ... although truth be told - the payment has probably started ages ago.

Large brands get better treatment, are allowed to abuse sellers, large sellers have negatives removed and can have contact info in places regular sellers cant, and can have their own returns terms.

eBay has always been "pay for play", and although its rather obvious - not charging for listings isnt new OR revolutionary. It just changes the terms from front loading costs to back loading them.

The article IS correct that having too many sellers and not enough buyers causes problems - its one eBay (at least in the US) is facing right now.

Of course all this could be solved if it vetted sellers and then treated those that pass with dignity and respect.

Mercari and Poshmark should have sent candy and flowers to eBay on mothers day - for without eBay birthing them (via its bad behaviors) - they wouldnt exist.

Go watch eBays new favorite sellers - the armada of "pickers" (everyone on Youtube is a "picker" (they probably just pick their noses) who spend their days buying used items for $1-5 and then selling them for $15-20. Worlds largest fleamarket indeed.

"The number of private individuals who have items listed for sale on eBay.de increased by more than 29 percent. " sure cause its "FREE".

If McDonalds gave away free burgers it could then say "our volume has gone up X times" ... but really - its a fake, a lie and a sham - not to mention it doesnt really mean anything.

MAYBE - if you charge people to post items - they would take "some pride of ownership" and not post listings with crappy pictures, shoddy descriptions, put s description in there to begin with and not dump csv files of useless garbage on site. But I guess not.



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by: Danish This user has validated their user name.

Wed May 17 10:49:52 2023

Great insights into eBay's fee change and its impact on private sellers. It's encouraging to see the positive results in terms of increased listings, successful sales, and the growth of buyers/sellers on eBay.de. The strategy of attracting more sellers can potentially lead to a wider selection of goods, which benefits both buyers and sellers. However, it would be interesting to know the effect on commercial dealers and the overall impact on eBay Germany's ad revenue.  

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This user has validated their user name. by: The End

Wed May 17 17:02:03 2023

This tide may be turning just in time for me to off load some attic / basement stuff.
When is it coming to the US  ?

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by: comments This user has validated their user name.

Wed May 17 17:35:29 2023

What a crazy concept! Who would have ever thought lowering fees would add value items to the site and connect more buyers and sellers?

Does that not prove to anyone that charging too much in fees prices sellers out of quality inventory?


I have TONS of opportunity to buy 100's of thousands of dollars worth of inventory weekly that just doesn't make sense because fees eat all the profit. There is no carrot on the stick when buying a $500 item to put in inventory for a year until it sells for $600. Cost benefit I would pass on the item. When fees were half, 20% TRS discount applied, and I actually got some visibility based on sales history instead of visibility fees......I'd have bought it. Now ebay and I both get nothing. Even at 100% seller fee.....100% of nothing is still nothing.

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by: Vigilant Eye On eBay This user has validated their user name.

Wed May 17 22:25:22 2023

Given that Congress has enacted a law that requires the issuance of a 1099 form when a seller's annual sales total reaches $600, it's doubtful that giving away free listings would have any long term impact in the US, because upon receiving an unexpected 1099 form, the casual seller might end up blaming eBay for any income taxes that become due and leave the venue for good.

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This user has validated their user name. by: Marie

Thu May 18 02:18:05 2023

Very interesting.  I look forward to seeing more data on this.  It is logical that pulling in more buyers could absolutely mean more sales, not just for those sellers with their free listings, but other sellers too.  It is likely that is what Ebay is banking on.

I'll keep an open mind on this.  Right now I just have questions.

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by: ScottLBrown This user has validated their user name.

Thu May 18 10:34:17 2023

I have always wanted Ebay to separate out Private Sellers from Resellers/Corporations.  

If I were to guess, this totally free option is only a pilot program and some version of fees will return once they hit their peak new sellers.  That is what Ebay has done historically.

I also never understood why a private seller, selling a used pair of boots should be required to have the same LISTING REQUIREMENTS that corporate sellers have.   It's too much to ask in my opinion hence I've sold very few personal items on Ebay, yet 8 digits as a reseller.

Again, If Ebay is not making money on this, IMHO it will eventually change back.

Cheers!
Scott

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by: I_Fix_Dolls This user has validated their user name.

Thu May 18 11:42:53 2023

@Comments
They are talking about small time, & hobby sellers, what you are talking about is you being a "Commercial" or "Big Time" seller. You wouldn't qualify.

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by: ebayout This user has validated their user name.

Thu May 18 11:47:20 2023

I can't be the only one who has quit listing items over a certain dollar amount because of high eBay fees, and instead have listed on other venues.
Don't these clucks realize that 5% of $1M is more than 15%+ of $100K?
Bring back the old days when selling was fun.

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by: Fruitylovesyou This user has validated their user name.

Thu May 18 22:54:34 2023

its all fine and dandy until they start holding your money and ask for documentation AFTER

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This user has validated their user name. by: Marie

Fri May 19 01:56:41 2023

@Fruitylovesyou

If as seller hasn't posted the item how would Ebay know they may need the documentation on the item.  Unless sellers were to be required to inform Ebay before listing an item and then they can determine if documentation is needed.

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This user has validated their user name. by: toolguy

Fri May 19 11:42:48 2023

I might have to change from being a business seller to a casual one.

Most of the time FREE is a good thing.

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This user has validated their user name. by: Marie

Fri May 19 15:41:15 2023

The choices of types of accounts on Ebay are Business or Personal.  Casual isn't an option at this time.  They are using Casual to describe a type of seller.  One that sells off and on.  Not someone that sells on a regular basis.

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by: volvo351 This user has validated their user name.

Mon May 22 00:03:57 2023

How about rolling back FVF to 2004 levels, and stop outright theft via "FVF" on SHIPPING and SALES TAX?  Right now, I'd gladly settle for THAT deal.  

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This user has validated their user name. by: Marie

Mon May 22 02:16:09 2023

@volvo351

You'd likely have to start with getting the Ebay employees [not management] to agree to roll back what they get paid to the 2004 level first.  Not sure how any of them will survive in today's world.  

Then of course there is an endless list of Ebay expenses that they would need to negotiate with their vendors to also roll back pricing to 2004.  Office supplies, computer hardware, computer supplies, utilities,  phones and on and on and on.

Or were you expecting Ebay to survive being charged 2023 prices but earning fees at the 2004 level?  I'm sure you would settle for that deal, but how is Ebay suppose to survive?

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This user has validated their user name. by: Bill

Mon May 22 23:30:47 2023

Marie,

By cutting the Upper Management compensation.

Pure and Simple since they are extremely overpaid.

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This user has validated their user name. by: Marie

Tue May 23 02:11:46 2023

Sure it would Bill, but that wasn't what I was addressing with the other poster and I noted it was excluded.  Was that the only thing you could find to disagree with me about?

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This user has validated their user name. by: Bill

Tue May 23 10:07:35 2023

No I disagree with many things that you say but that is the elephant in the room with many corporations.
That fact is you are constantly being condescending to may posters on here.  

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This user has validated their user name. by: Marie

Tue May 23 15:16:19 2023

@Bill

Some tend to read more into what I have posted than what I actually said.  

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