eBay Tells Court It Competes with Facebook Marketplace

by: pace306

"For those that have been banned from the Ebay Community Boards. That does not happen to you because of just one post that didn't follow the rules of the Community and yes there are published rules. It is not like social media where you can say whatever you want, whenever you want.

Typically when a member gets banned from the Community they have had multiple warnings and a few forced vacations from the threads for some period of time. Starting small and working to longer periods.

I agree that some of the rules for the community could use some improving. I just thought I'd explain this a bit as some post as if it happened because of one post the moderators didn't like.


%101 BS

eBay "community boards" are run by vindictive children who only want posters to spout "the party line" like what was just posted above.

Its not about "first amendment" as its a private site, its about the lies, manipulations and outright pettiness of the children that run it.

They play favorites
They get together with other posters (in secret) and decide to ban people they dont like (btw AHEM it happens here too)
They cant ever stand criticisms of their behavior or the site

The list goes on and on

This is simply yet ANOTHER eBay issue where the usual people white wash its sins.

by: Real Patriot?

One major difference between Fakebook and Feebay is that Feebay will steal your money to make a buck and Fakebook will steal your Democracy to make a buck. LONG LIVE UKRAINE!

by: Real Patriot?

Gotta love the Q-nut misinformation. Ex-inteligence officials infiltrating Fakebook? lol

by: Marie

Oh Pace, because you don't agree doesn't make what I said "BS".  IDK why you have issues with different view points, but clearly it is an issue for you.

I get it that you are upset you are banned from the Community.  Most of the people I've talked to after they have been banned feel the same way as you do and they feel they did nothing wrong.

by: AddyUp

The eBay forums of 15+ years ago were not very friendly places unless you were a "gang" member. And mods frequently joined in with name calling and banned anyone who dared to retaliate. Which is why I was banned on the UK forums for over a decade. Only one warning email telling me to stop posting which arrived after I was permanently banned for not stopping.

Tried to get reinstated but not a chance while the same awipes were in charge. But after they finally left I decided to email the organ grinder (.com), as .uk is merely a branch of .com, who happily (it seemed) reinstated me. Then emailed the monkey (.uk) telling them the .com good news and they immediately followed suit.    

by: Rexford

AddyUp, I haven't been to those boards in over a decade due to exactly what you described.  I do remember when two of the  bullying "gang members" turned on one another though.  It was priceless.  

I never got banned but it was exhausting listening to the many know-it-alls and the eBay groupies.  And the "Mods". (Haven't heard that word in ages.)  They're like overzealous high school hall monitors trying to impress the assistant principal.

by: Marie

@AddyUp

That is horrible.  The Community on the US site is not the same.  But now I understand why we have so many UK members come to the US site for help.

by: toolguy

Has anyone here talked about eBay "Instant Payments"?

For only 1.5% eBay will send money to a debit card in 30 minutes

They (ebay) truly want every single penny they can squeeze out of ya!

https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/fees-credits-invoices/set
ting-changing-automatic-payment-method/updating-checking-account-details-payouts?id=4796#section1

by: WaLK-aWAY

"Oh Pace, because you don't agree doesn't make what I said "BS"

- Oh yes it does. haaa. ESPECIALLY because YOU said it actually.

Marie, You are always "Don't quote me, this is how I perceive the facts" kinda gal.
THAT'S THE ISSUE.  You ALWAYS quote WHAT YOU ARE TOLD with ZERO independent thought or opinion. EVER.
Whatever Ebay spits out and decides to post as a memorandum or something else- YOU believe it. Because they wrote it. You are the perfect subservient host in which they can utilize to calm the masses.  Don't frown, there are an army of you. . . . . . with no independent thought  

by: Marie

@Walk away

Specifically what did I say that you found to be incorrect?  What Specific things?  You always talk in generalities with no specifics.  So let's be specific.

by: pace306

Oh Pace, because you don't agree doesn't make what I said "BS".

Marie - you base things on FEELINGS, not FACTS.

The people there - Lithium or not - are vindictive children who AT A WHIM ban or kick people they dont like.

Its just a fact.

This isnt that I drove 75 in a 50 zone and got pulled over and Im "mad" at the system.

Its like EVERY other thing in eBay - its corrupt, its childish, its vindictive and its abusive.

%99 of the people kicked didnt curse anyone, didnt tell them to voilate any of eBay "main rules" aka make offsite sales, and didnt harass anyone.

BUT THE DELICATE FLOWERS (applies to HERE too) instead of using FACTS to reply to posts - go on and on about how eBay can do as they please "just because". You cant - there are rules to commerce like there is everything else.

"Whatever Ebay spits out and decides to post as a memorandum or something else- YOU believe it. Because they wrote it."

"But hey I dont like it (what ever IT is)(like FVF on shipping and on taxes) but its eBay site so they can do anything they want". Yes - things like that.

If something is wrong (stealing from sellers) then its wrong.

My ONLY issue is that you "never SEEM to get mad" about it - not enough to actually come out and be forceful about it all.

I respect you and your diverse opinion - but on alot of things I cant agree.

And its not just eBay, its Amazon too - but most posts here seem to revolve around the EVILS that San Jose puts out.

eBay JUST SAID they are a platform - so why are they involved in so many parts of OTHER peoples business.

If I sell you something its between ME and YOU. Not Sleeping Griff, not the waitresses @ Walkers nor anyone else.

Why cant I know WHERE MY money is at any given time? Why is it HIDDEN @ Adyen?

Why cant eBay EVER be even handed?

We can agree to disagree - but most times - you just lie down and "take it" (or so it seems)

by: toolguy

"If I sell you something its between ME and YOU. Not Sleeping Griff, not the waitresses @ Walkers nor anyone else."

What in the world do the waitresses in New York have to do with eBay San Jose?

And the person who thought up FVF on shipping was a genius, so much so other web sites are implementing it. . . .

by: Marie

No, I'm talking from experience on the Community in the last few years.  Khoros handles things much differently than Lithium, but since you have no experience with it, you just haven't experienced it.

As I said before, I do not always agree with moderators.

I have no problem that you disagree.  

OMG you need to get off that high horse of yours with statements like "you just lie down and take it".  There is NOTHING on this subject that even remotely should bring that statement out of your arsenal.

by: Snapped

“… since you have no experience with it, you just haven't experienced it.”

Wise counsel whenever considering whether to attempt ‘mitigating’ impacts not personally felt with a dose of ‘helpful’ edification, no?

Germane because it ought to apply to all forms and factors and means of communicating and conveying beliefs.  Like on social media for example, in its tweets and tics, faces and blogs, any on-line ‘community’ really.  

And like the kind of virtual ‘community’ eBay provides, regardless of it’s ‘selectivity’ or ‘standards’, or competence in managing, AND which it is so vehemently (thus hypocritically) denying exists, using that in objecting to it’s need for scrutiny in context with “the subject”.

by: pace306

" Khoros handles things much differently than Lithium, but since you have no experience with it, you just haven't experienced it."

You call your pet a pooch, I call mine a dog, he calls his a hound, she calls it a mongrel, they call theirs a canine.

Because its another name - it absolutely does NOT mean its anything different.

Way back I got a 2 week ban for telling a poster that they have "a better shot at winning the lottery, then to expect eBay to step in and help you as a seller"

1) that post didnt violate ANY of eBays terms of service
2) the post wasnt vindictive nor did it call anyone (even eBay) a bad name
3) there were (obviously) no curse words in it
4) it was as true THEN as it is today - eBay will NOT step and help sellers

So - it doesnt matter which green haired, weird tattoo/body piercing, living in mommys basement, art degree, child eBay hires (now THERE are the names I should have used THEN) - the result is STILL the same. Childish, abusive, power hungry, unhelpful children.

The GREATER point is - you cant seem to ever say the words "eBays behavior is morally repugnant, borderline illegal, and abusive to its sellers." EVER.

You seem to always find some oddball justification on WHY its ok to do.

Thats fine - its YOUR opinion.

I *THINK* that as you are very intelligent young lady - people (myself included) have a different expectation from you.

"its in the TOS" doesnt make anything right, and theres ZERO justification for most of eBays bad behaviors.

Since you cant/wont say it - I will - eBays behaviors and actions are criminal .

Its not really that hard to do.

I cant justify eBay stealing from myself or any other small seller, period.

by: toolguy

"Since you cant/wont say it - I will - eBays behaviors and actions are criminal "

eBay's actions are NOT criminal (except in the Steiner's case)

I've asked many times (and you never have an answer), what California Penal Code has eBay broken?

You're lucky eBay doesn't come after you for SLANDER! And yes it is SLANDER when you post it on a public forum. . . .

And their lawyers would eat yous alive!

by: toolguy

Marie, we all know eBay disgruntled sellers are the worst.

They remain bitter for years on end, some NEVER get over it.

PS: Thank You for all the informative posts you make here.

by: Marie

@ toolguy

Thank you.

by: Marie

@pace

There really isn't much more I can say.  Your rhetoric remains about the same.

As for the portion of a statement that you say caused you to get a two week vacation.  That vacation would only come after 2 or 3 previous warnings on something you post.  And if what you say here is the entirety of the post you made that caused you a short vacation, it wouldn't today.  I personally have made similar statements on the boards especially if we are talking about INADs.  And many other have without issue.

It doesn't matter whether or not you believe it as long as it has changed as I've previously stated.  And your opinion that it hasn't carries no weight because you aren't going off of current experience but of what it use to be years ago when you could post on the Community.

We've had the discussion before about how you choose to talk about Ebay and how I do.  There are plenty of times here on this site that I've disagreed with how Ebay has handled something, but you overlook those because I won't say it the way you want me to say it.  Using words you approve of.  I've asked before but you never answered, why should I have to post the venomous stuff you do?  What makes your venomous words more important what I say?  The truth is they don't.  But you sure put in a lot of effort into trying to get me to.

I don't view Ebay the way you do, I never will.  Ebay has faults, there is no doubt of that.  When I disagree with Ebay I state it, either here or in the Community if I happen to be there.  

And as Toolguy has, I have asked you to tell us what Law or Laws Ebay has broken as you continually say they do criminal stuff.  But after all the years we have been together on this site, not once have you responded with actual information.

Exactly what has Ebay stollen from you and other sellers?  "I cant justify eBay stealing from myself or any other small seller, period."

by: David Steiner

Did you know the over/under in Las Vegas on how many comments are posted in an ecommerce forum before it gets personal is 3.5?  

Seems high