eBay Bans PayPal in Early Payments Beta

by: Carol Is Here

If their payment processor will have a department of lawyers lol to deal with the credit card chargebacks and the cc companies that allow their customers to steal, and help the sellers with this, they'll get support.

How about "insurance" that sellers who use their processor can buy that will auto cover chargebacks or even returns?

A new concept.

by: toolguy

I can't afford to wait 4 days for my money.

I will not pay postage out of my own pocket, my customers will be waiting 5 days for me to ship. . .

by: pace306

Well ........

eBay starts off by screwing sellers, it makes you wonder whats NEXT.

Lord knows Im NOT defending eBay (with the Paypal exclusion issue) - my guess would be

A) sore feelings means that Paypal doesnt want to stop and deal with APIs etc now - they may want to do it at their leisure (as apposed to doing it on eBays rushed schedule)

B) eBays crappy programmers arent ready with software to interface with Paypal

C) Paypal is getting revenge for eBays bad behavior(s) by dragging their feet on it all

They may also want D) to see what eBay can accomplish on its own aka will they come running back after it all implodes aka "show me what you can do with out us" ... but who knows.

Sellerhub is an unmitigated disaster because the info is wrong and the layout and options are UNhelpful.

Sellerhub wasnt written for sellers - it was written so that sellers would input data and eBay would data mine it all and use it/sell it  (whats being sold, who's selling it, what things are being sold for - that kind of thing). You ALWAYS have to remember that eBay is not your friend, your partner, your buddy, they dont care about you, dont advocate for you, and that your stray cat (the tabby with mange) who refuses to use the litterbox is STILL smarter then Devin the Devil Wenig on any given day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSnkBJmQ4gw - says that they DEVIL told them that anyone who doesnt use eBays returns program should expect eBay to give them %35-40 less sales - switch it off and eBay will get even with you .... how nice of "the venue" !  not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kp0Yo6fm7U - Mohan the Dope says "ALL glitches are fixed" (see his comment at 6:15) - is it that DOPE is legal in CA? Is he just a baffoon? (Note that Mohan (Dont mess with the Mohan????) has no ecommerce experience EITHER - yet hes out making videos on buyer/seller experiences) (Mohan earned both bachelor and master degrees in Computer Science from New Jersey Institute of Technology and R.V. College of Engineering in Bangalore, respectively, and holds four patents.

Mohan is a huge believer in mentorship and a champion of eBay’s diversity and inclusion initiative.

UGH - can someone PLEASE buy him a degree is something ECOMMERCE RELATED?

At 6:31 the dope says "HE works for the sellers" LMFAO

lord help us all this holiday selling season

by: Bill

No one in their right mind would opt into this, it is just ludicrous.
The payment deal is going to be a flop before it even gets started.

Wenig has to be on drugs or something (I still say he has Charlie Manson eyes) to allow this to happen.

Another death knell for eBay.

eBay = Dead Man Walking

by: Ming the Merciless

Now we know why Devin has to have personal security.

What a vindictive, truly evil piece of pond scum.  

by: OnlyPollyPocket

Just watched Bexa Boss Lady's video.  She did an excellent job of outlining the hew payment system based on what she heard.

What I take away from her video is that ebay is, yet again, rolling out something that just isn't ready !  When she outlined what was happening in the beta, she kept using the words ''at first'' meaning, for example, Paypal will not be an accepted payment choice AT FIRST.

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Speaking of which, I can see not accepting Paypal as a HUGE detriment to our businesses.  I foresee a lot of UPI because buyers will commit to buy and then realize that they cannot use Paypal.  

Also, those who do realize up front that Paypal is not accepted will go to sellers who can accept it because they didn't opt in OR, more importantly, just not buy on ebay.

I sure hope that any seller considering opting in will get all the details before doing it.  The ''new'' ebay payment system might be better in the future but, again, it just doesn't sound like it is ready to roll out yet!

by: wilburnet

No Paypal = buyer / seller nightmare.  Just watch as Ebay will have many many abandoned carts when people realise Paypal isnt a payment option.

by: Rexford

Toolguy says "My sales are down 40% over the last 3 months."

Quite some time ago, when many of us had been hit hard with poor sales due to all of eBay's shananigans, and you hadn't, we told you that it could happen to you too.

Believe us now?

by: Silver Ice King

This is going to force buyers to use their credit card numbers which Ebay currently does not see.  But now this will allow Ebay to harvest even more information from the buyers this time.  Although they are not supposed to store the credit card numbers on their system we all know that Ebay is going to do this and will more than likely sell that information to the Chinese so now they will have additional information to use.

Suddenly Ebay buyers will start seeing charges that they never charged from other companies and all the roads will lead back to Ebay who will of course say they were hacked and then Fisher who we already know is useless but was put in charge of the payment systems will probably be the fall guy for Wenig to manage to pull another 3 months of employment from a job that should have ended with the last Shareholders Meeting.  

Buyers will start exiting Ebay even faster than the Sellers have been and Wenigs fast talking about Ebay servicing 500 million buyers will be floating out the door with Wenig riding on the wings of one of those Unicorns that he is dreaming of.  Any seller who signs up for this early opt in beta test is an absolute fool and any buyer who enters their credit card information to make a purchase on Ebay not using Paypals secure network is also a fool and just asking to be ripped off by Ebay.  

Ebay no longer cares whether it is buyer or seller they steal the money from as they now just need to show growth one way or another or the CEO is not going to get that nice cushy bonus he is counting on.  If he reduces sellers sales by 45-50% because they will not offer FREE RETURNS then all he is going to do is reduce the sales also because Sellers will continue to move their products to other sites and contact their buyers to let them know where they are now selling their goods.  Wenig is so vindictive and upset that Sellers know more about business and how a business should run than he does is going to cut off his nose to spite his face.  All that is going to do is show Wall Street just what a fool they have been following these last 3 years.

Any seller that is not already sending information with their packages keeping their buyers informed as to what other sites they should look at for the sellers goods at lower prices is wasting a great opportunity.  That is exactly what Target, Best Buy, Walmart and those large book companies have been doing to the past 2-3 years while Ebay just hands them the keys to the front and back door.  This is why Target could afford to leave Ebay so abruptly - they already had all the good buyers moved and realized that any others that were still looking at Target were not the quality of customers they wanted.

by: Rexford

The straw that breaks the camel's back for me may very well be the banning of third party listing sites.

Sending a note to the one that I use today to see what they know, but this may be it for me.  I've take a lot from eBay over the years, and I have adapted, but this may be it.

by: Silver Ice King

@Rexford

I think that somebody hit the nail on the head earlier.  All  of these conditions seem to be aimed at the Beta Test period only, as of now.  I am starting to think that the program is no where near ready to use and this is how they force it to be usable.  I know that Seller Hub has a lot of issues but there should not be any problems with using a 3rd party listing tool for Ebay to manage to be the payment intermediary.  Maybe this is their way of not having any outside issues mucking up the plans for them so they can see if their program actually works.  

If that is not the case and Wenig just wants to dictate more micromanagement policies for us to adapt to our businesses he is  dooming Ebays platform to die a slow painful death because there is no way that any decent size business can function using Sellers Hub and listing their items 1 at a time and watching the circle of death just keep spinning on the screen while the program continues to do nothing. I can not imagine having to click on relist each item or sell similar to list my items each month.  That would be a total and complete disaster.  

I really feel sorry for those sellers who opted in thinking that Ebay would have their backs and now are finding out like everybody else that the only back that Ebay tries to have is Wenigs.  No wonder he needs to fly on the corporate jet and have a private security team.  I wonder how he will manage to afford that once he is no longer collecting all that unearned bonus money each year??  Heaven knows he will still need the protection after having put so many sellers out of business.

by: pace306

I dont think we should let an eBay trial get everyone so crazy.

eBay has no choice after the trials to allow Paypal usage - I cant see how they would ban it forever.

ALL eBay trials are fraught with danger - as eBay trying things is like giving a 4 yr old a live grenade to play with and expecting "nothing bad to happen".

If you can "afford it", NEVER volunteer to be an eBay guinea pig, NEVER.

It seems the tail winds are catching up with eBay ...

"The company reported fiscal second-quarter gross revenues of $2.64 billion, which missed the Zacks Consensus Estimate of $2.66 billion. Furthermore, eBay guided for 2018 revenue of $10.75 billion to $10.85 billion, significantly below the consensus estimate of $10.95 billion.

It seems as if the poor results couldn’t have come at a worse time, as competition is continuously heating up in the e-commerce space, and eBay seems to be falling behind. Since eBay mainly operates as an online marketplace, nearly any retailer, particularly ones with online shopping platforms, can be considered competition. For instance, retail behemoth Walmart (WMT - Free Report) recently partnered with Microsoft (MSFT - Free Report) to boost its e-commerce platform.

One of the factors bringing eBay down is poor reception to its new initiatives. The company’s aim was to revamp the brand through structured data, AI, and product-based experiences. However, analysts from Raymond James stated that these initiatives are “ramping slower than expected.”  In a space where digital innovation is key, eBay can’t afford to miss on advancements.

To go along with the struggles eBay is experiencing with its main marketplace, the company’s adjacent ticket platform, StubHub, has also contributed to the downfall of the stock. On a call with analysts Wednesday evening, CEO Devin Wenig described it as a “tough landscape” for sports and that showed as revenue growth slowed to 5% in Q2 from 12% in Q1.


Although we can only speculate, it would be interesting to see where eBay would be if it never spun off Paypal(PYPL - Free Report) in 2015 and instead kept the payment service platform. While eBay’s decision to narrow its focus on just being a marketplace hasn’t been too favorable, PayPal has performed strongly since it began trading as its own independent company.


DUH - we all told you so!

by: maxmad

I agree it's just a beta test / trial, but for the sellers who Opted In, , that now can't opt out, I'm not sure how many could actually last in business thru this, most buyers use Paypal, plus all the glitch's ebay will inject in, will for sure be a recipe for disaster

ebay will force it on to sellers, when they can't find enough suckers for their testing Sellers be warned DO NOT OPT IN TO THIS BETA TEST NIGHTMARE, ON YOUR OWN.

by: pace306

Max - question please - one that no one is asking (though I have in the past)  ..... since theres no Paypal - it would seem that ONLY eBay does the customer service on it.

Alot of times, Paypal (as bad as it is) is more sympathetic to sellers then eBay (%99.9 against sellers)....

So is that part (at least) a foreshadowing of whats to come?

The rumblings Ive heard is exactly that - that Paypal is far to soft on sellers - having eBay ONLY do the chargebacks, the INRs, the SNADs etc  makes it so that eBay can be %99.99999999999999999 against them.

Thats what Ive always been worried about - eBay cant be trusted to handle a sellers business in a serious and respectful manner - eBay being the merchant of record ... can do as it pleases and just hand off the losses to sellers at their whim.

by: iheartjacksparrow

pace306 writes: "eBay being the merchant of record ... can do as it pleases and just hand off the losses to sellers at their whim."

That's what I've wondered about since the first announcement. Scenario: Seller gets paid and ships; buyer claims SNAD; and eBay goes back into the seller's account to refund the original cost, the original shipping, and return shipping, without any warning to the seller. Because you know they are almost always going to find in favor of the buyer, leaving the seller vulnerable to overdrafts. And eBay is way too cheap to set up any sort of system that would allow a seller to show evidence and plead his case.

by: DoNotWantEbayToKnow

@Silver Ice King, where are you getting the information that eBay won't allow 3rd party tools?

by: The End

PayPal gone....GOOD.
Ebay becomes the "gateway"  between me and my bank......GOOD.
Billing fees once a month WITH the option to put that expense on my credit card.....GOOD.
After testing, PayPal still an option.......BAD.
Looks like after 10 years gone, I STILL won't be returning.....BAD.
Pretty soon I'll be too old to give a rip.

by: toolguy

eBay is being groomed to be bought by Apple

Apple needs to start making more acquisitions if they intend on staying bigger then Amazon!

Apple should buy eBay, Fedex & Tesla

by: Silver Ice King

@Donotwantebaytoknow

I actually watched that entire video and the seller states that Ebay said that at least at first (which I am taking to mean during the Beta Testing or until they manage to fix all the problems) that no 3rd party listing tools would be allowed to be used.  i had already read that all Sellers that opt in will be forced to convert to Sellers Hub and that payments would be delayed  from 2-4 days, which I also knew from all my years working in the credit card processing industry.  When you use batch processing their is no other way to operate as a payment intermediary.

by: Lightning

I interpreted the ''3rd party tools'' reference to be only those that interfaced with payments and related areas, such as accounting tools and shipping tools.  This announcement is all about payments, the back end of a business, so there would seem to be no involvement of other phases of operation such as listing through Auctiva, etc.  

If you opt in to the beta payment manager, I think you have to use eBay Shipping to make your labels, so that might eliminate tools like Stamps.com or Auctiva Shipping.  The video mentioned the use of GoDaddy accounting, so that would be blocked off.  

But I don't think there is any threat to listing tools like Auctiva since that doesn't interfere in any way with eBay's payment system.  Nor is it something that eBay would see as a lost revenue opportunity and want to take its place.