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by Ina Steiner, Editor of EcommerceBytes.com
Tue Apr 17 2018 21:57:48

Supreme Court Probes Sales Tax Impact on Small Sellers

By: Ina Steiner

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Supreme Court Justices showed they were sensitive to the plight of small businesses during oral argument in the South Dakota vs Wayfair sales tax case on Tuesday. The state asked the High Court to overturn its 1992 "Quill" decision so that states could require out-of-state sellers to collect sales tax on items sold to their residents. Quill vs North Dakota prohibits that practice unless the seller has nexus (a physical presence) in the state.

When South Dakota Attorney General Marty J. Jackley said the state's small businesses on Main Street are being harmed because of the unlevel playing field created by Quill, where out-of-state remote sellers are given a price advantage, Justice Sotomayor challenged that premise.

"Isn't the problem not Quill but the fact that you don't have a mechanism to collect from consumers," she asked. "It's not the merchants who are playing - paying the sales tax; it's the consumer. They're collecting it for you. So find a way to collect from them."

In talking about how easy or difficult it would be for merchants when it came compliance issues, Justice Sotomayor asked, "What happens when the tax program breaks down, as it already has for the states who are using it, and merchants can't keep track of who they've sold to?"

(In an ironic bit of timing, the IRS website suffered an outage during the proceedings, making it impossible for taxpayers to remit payment via bank transfer today, the deadline for filing and paying 2017 taxes. To our mind, it highlights that there's no such thing as a simple software solution.)

Justice Sotomayor also pointed out the costs did not stop at fees for tax compliance software. "That doesn't include auditing. It doesn't include integrating the program with the existing sales program of the company. It doesn't account for the maintenance of the program. There's lots of costs that are inherent in a process of this type."

Many laws have provisions that exempt small businesses, but as Justice Kagan pointed out, it's not the High Court's prerogative to craft such protections, referring to the court's "binary" decision - "you either have the Quill rule or you don't," she said.

She pointed out that Congress is capable of crafting compromises and trying to figure out how to balance the wide range of interests involved in the case.

South Dakota was clearly frustrated that Congress failed to pass legislation around the remote sales tax issue. Attorney General Jackley said Congress had had 26 years to address this issue. "And it's not Congress, but it's Quill, it's this Court's decision, that is striking down our state statutes."

But Justice Kagan said such an argument gives the Court reason to pause, because Congress could have addressed the issue and Congress chose not to.

Justice Sotomayor asked what constitutes a small business. She noted that the South Dakota law at the heart of the case had a 200 sales/year minimum (to South Dakota residents) before an out of state seller would be required to collect its sales tax. (Or $100,000 in sales).

And while that's the law in South Dakota, its Attorney General admitted that there was no minimum if Quill was overturned (so that other states could have lower minimums that would impact even lower-volume sellers), but pointed out that retailers are likewise subject to regulatory burdens imposed by states - for example, states could hold a retailer responsible for selling a single defective good to a resident.

NOTE: We have more to say about today's oral argument, stay tuned.

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This user has validated their user name. by: iheartjacksparrow

Wed Apr 18 13:46:52 2018

Most of my sales are shipped to California, Florida and New York (I guess that's where most of the people who buy collectibles live). Last year I had a whopping one item sold to a person in South Dakota. But I still don't understand how they can collect taxes from sellers outside of SD when that money doen't benefit those sellers in the least.

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by: Whatever This user has validated their user name.

Wed Apr 18 13:55:55 2018

All this whining and crying in South Dakota - pulese - so my family lives in montana - no sales tax.  Any clue how many s. dakota folks shop in montana? Plenty. Some thing with the Canadians driving to Kalispell mt.  I grew up in NH - again no sales tax. Every weekend Nashua had major traffic from Mass buyers who flooded over the state line to buy tax free goods in NH. South Dakota want to jump in the game? drop your sales tax and keep your own people from driving to montana to get their goods. Pretty freeking simple. Get a lottery or legalize marijuana or build a casino. There's your tax money - stop all this cry baby shite that's never going to work.  Every state and county in the USA doesn't have the resources or energy or people on hand to enforce any stupid national tax law. AND get the dam money from the chinese - they've got all ours - get it back.

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by: Fahrenheit451 This user has validated their user name.

Wed Apr 18 13:58:37 2018

As I have said before for previous articles regarding this issue, the problem originated with customers refusing to pay use tax - that is, sales tax on products they purchase in their home state. Maybe if the Supreme Court directs the states to enforce their own laws in their own nexuses, merchants would not have to collect the tax for them. I don't expect to collect sales tax on SD sales because I have NEVER had any sales from SD. That being said, I am not about to do so in the future.

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This user has validated their user name. by: bitbybit

Wed Apr 18 14:12:25 2018

Maybe spelling out an example will show this disparity:

Anytown USA
Item $100
Sales Tax 7%

                      $100           Sales Tax        Shipping

B&M                $100           $7.00               0
Online              $100           $7.00               $8.95 (USPS)
Chinese            $100           0                     $1.00 (Epacket estimate)

Now to offer ''Free Shipping'' the item cost is $107 and the 7% Sales Tax is $7.49

Obviously this is just one example and costs will vary, however, the small online seller loses each and every time.





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This user has validated their user name. by: bitbybit

Wed Apr 18 14:25:36 2018

Correction to the "Free Shipping" example. The item cost to the customer would be $108.95 plus 7% sales tax of $7.63.

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by: puppiesandflowers This user has validated their user name.

Wed Apr 18 14:29:41 2018

Ina, how do we share our thoughts with the Supreme Court? Just read through the briefs and there is no one there representing small internet sellers! The first and foremost issue is taxation without representation. Didn't see that mentioned in the briefs! As mentioned here in the blog, what stops a state from imposing higher taxes on internet sales? Who does a seller call if they are having issues with a state's revenue department? Then it was baffling that the Justices were asking questions about costs and there was no one there to provide real information. Give me five minutes and i can lay it all out for them. And there was no mention that overturning Quill will have no impact on the avalanche of direct sales from overseas with subsidized postage. Aarrrggghhh!!!!!

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by: FeelingFroggy This user has validated their user name.

Wed Apr 18 14:33:37 2018

I would think that unless the BM and Online seller are selling chinese knockoffs that the chinese shipping doesn't even belong in the example.

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by: Charlie B This user has validated their user name.

Wed Apr 18 14:51:52 2018

If Quill is overturned, small internet businesses won't be able to survive. I sell on my own website, and won't be able to comply with the myriad state laws. Sure, software might help me collect the tax, but how could I possibly remit all the money to the various states and municipalities let alone keep up with all the rules? Hundreds if not thousands of reports mailed monthly, quarterly, annually? What about possible audits??  

South Dakota has a $100,000 sales threshold within their state, but Pennsylvania just imposed tax collection requirements for only $10,000 in sales! If you don't collect the tax in PA you're supposed to send notices to each PA customer telling them what they owe their state. Now multiply this by 12,000 different taxing entities.

Don't know what I'll do if I have to close my business that I worked years to build. I'm living the American dream and supporting myself and my family. If my business has to close it's a victory for 800 pound gorillas like Amazon and the flood of Chinese sellers that won't have to collect and remit sales tax. How is this fair? Being driven out of business by my own government and onerous laws that are impossible to comply with.

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by: sellerchick This user has validated their user name.

Wed Apr 18 15:02:41 2018

Here's his "candidate for governor" twitter account. Really? I think SD deserves more that this RINO @martyjackley  
 

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This user has validated their user name. by: RKTOYS

Wed Apr 18 15:35:32 2018

It's utterly asinine that South Duhkota is crying about sales tax while the Communist Chinese steal billions from us via US-subsidized ePacket shipping.

@Charlie B
You know what somebody should file a RTK request on?  Department of Revenue appeal compromises.

http://files.painteractive.org/pr/Revenue/2011/201
1-11/Revenue%20Department%20Board%20of%20Appeals%20Accepting%20Requests%20for%20Compromise.pdf

Long
story short, if you're a crybaby corporation that owes taxes to PA, you can, outside of the normal appeals process that us peasants have to go through, demand to pay less.  They don't even go through review at the chief counsel's office anymore.  Gave away millions of dollars the first two years it was running and the geniuses can't figure out why tax receipts are down.

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by: Snapped This user has validated their user name.

Wed Apr 18 15:36:29 2018

Parity with the rooted you say?  

So, collect at and remit all sales taxes from point of sale location.  Accounts receivable's mailing address.  That will be the address representing the physical location.  Let the states fight for those Ivory...sorry....sort-of-cream-colored...towers.

Same same then.  From POS, to POS's henchmen.  No burden, no disparity; check.

Now, can we please get back to the gobsmacking political distractions of late that have only added to the excuse for how long this question has bubbled.  The Court's attention may be needed soon.

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This user has validated their user name. by: iheartjacksparrow

Wed Apr 18 15:54:33 2018

@Whatever - Here in California we have multiple lotteries, legal marijuana sales, and casinos up the wazoo, and still we have a tax rate of 9.5% in Los Angeles County. The more the politicians get, the more they want.

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by: geoffreymason This user has validated their user name.

Wed Apr 18 17:08:23 2018

Rexford: All media are propaganda channels. Those that we consider not to be propaganda channels are those that conform to our own biases.

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by: Grady This user has validated their user name.

Wed Apr 18 23:51:20 2018

I have a dream.........

Someday, those on Capital Hill who WORK FOR US, will actually do more for us, and less for those wishing to wipe us out (OPEC, China, UN, the millions of career criminals loose in this country, etc). The dream I refer to is ''The American Dream''. If you work hard, conduct yourself with honesty and integrity, respect laws and pay your debts you will be OK.  That dream is fading ......

I know, it sounds so good, but a lot of dreams do.  

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This user has validated their user name. by: Rexford

Thu Apr 19 06:56:01 2018

geoffreymason  says "Rexford: All media are propaganda channels."   And you may have offended Ina with that statement. : )

That is absolutely not true.  If you are comparing reputable news sources to the likes of Murdoch owned media and Sinclair owned media you and I will simply have to disagree.  There is no comparison.

Ronald Reagan paved the way for the likes of Fox News when he abolished the FCC's Fairness Doctrine.

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by: geoffreymason This user has validated their user name.

Thu Apr 19 10:18:52 2018

Rexford: There are no "reputable" news channels. It is important to live in the real world. (Other than this disagreement, I have always respected your comments and your candor.)

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by: Grady This user has validated their user name.

Thu Apr 19 13:13:01 2018

The Media Propaganda machinery in this country rivals the likes of Cuba, North Korea and China. It's really out of hand. I never get my news from US outlets. It's so skewed. 2 dozen families decide what the citizens will see and read.  

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by: Whatever This user has validated their user name.

Thu Apr 19 18:34:19 2018

iheartjacksparrow - brother - you got that right!

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