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by Ina Steiner, Editor of EcommerceBytes.com
Sun Feb 4 2018 22:46:40

Why PayPal Did Not Extend the eBay Operating Agreement

By: Ina Steiner

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A lot of sellers are trying to figure out what eBay's announcement last week about payment changes means for them. From a corporate standpoint, eBay and PayPal split in July 2015. But from a user's point of view, not much has changed thanks to a 5-year operating agreement between the two companies. 

If you go to checkout on eBay, you generally see three options: pay with PayPal, PayPal credit, or Credit or debit card. But PayPal handles all aspects - the "branded" (PayPal), and the "unbranded" (credit or debit card). In all cases, the buyer paid into the individual seller's PayPal account (note in some cases, the merchant offers its own credit card processing).

Last week it was revealed that eBay signed an agreement with payments processing firm Adyen to become its major payments partner, and signed an agreement with PayPal that extends its PayPal branded service at least through July of 2023.

All indications are that buyers will continue to see a similar checkout experience by the time the 2015 Operating Agreement between eBay and PayPal expires, but sellers will see some big changes. Adyen will handle the credit and debit card processing on eBay's behalf (which would likely then be in a position to add additional options, such as bank transfers). And rather than a buyer paying into a seller's PayPal account, they'll pay into eBay's PayPal account.

How do we know this for sure, given the dearth of information in eBay's announcement to sellers last week? eBay CFO was more forthright with Wall Street analysts in November when he explained what it would mean for eBay to become the merchant of record: "eBay would start to be the seller and in doing so would aggregate that volume and be able to get lower PayPal or other payment operator rates."

PayPal CEO Dan Schulman told Wall Street analysts last week why he chose not to extend the existing Operating Agreement (OA) with eBay, but instead, enter into an additional agreement that extends into 2023: PayPal will be able to officially court other marketplaces beginning in 2020. 

eBay had created a list of marketplaces with whom it did not wish PayPal to engage with during the 5-year operating agreement. Schulman called them fast-growing, next-gen marketplaces, and no doubt Amazon and Facebook are on the list (PayPal is allowed to work with Facebook Messenger).

Here's what Schulman had to say last week about PayPal's relationship with eBay:

One, we renewed the "branded" relationship with eBay because it is far and away the most profitable element of the relationship. And two, it's the most important to our mutual customers. And three, it also happens to be the largest part of the business by far and away today. 

The "private-branded" processing is highly undifferentiated, it's commoditized and as a result it yields little to no profit. 

And as we go through this, we are going to be able to shed substantial cost because we aren't going to be doing that "unbranded" piece of it.

We'll still maintain the "branded," we'll still maintain the most profitable part of this business and what is today the largest part, but there is one other really important element, the OA, the operating agreement, also restricts PayPal from partnering with the largest and fastest growing marketplaces in the world as an MOR (Merchant of Record). So, if we had simply done an extension of the full operating agreement, that would have kept that prohibition in place and prevented us from becoming a fully neutral third-party platform. And the opportunity to partner with the world's largest marketplaces is immense.

Note that when Schulman said PayPal would be able to "shed substantial cost because we aren't going to be doing that "unbranded" piece of it," that means eBay will have to figure out how to offer customer service directly or through a third party. That's another change that users will have to deal with in the future - and given the importance of payments, getting good customer service is imperative.

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by: FeelingFroggy This user has validated their user name.

Mon Feb 5 16:20:59 2018

@RKTOYS

No where on this site have I ever claimed to be a small seller. Get your facts straight before you sling mud.

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by: Watching the Wheels This user has validated their user name.

Mon Feb 5 17:05:59 2018

@Marie, Thanks for the link!

I actually prefer to call toll numbers because you have better documentation, since it's "your dime"  

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This user has validated their user name. by: Ming the Merciless

Mon Feb 5 19:22:39 2018

@ Froggy

Why are you always so discourteous to other posters? Nearly every one of your posts here is mean spirited, pejorative, and condescending toward other posters.

Saying that you're not a small seller is a courteously expressed opinion which may or may not be accurate, not "slinging mud."

A few posters here erroneously believe that challenging and/or disagreeing with their pronouncements constitute personal attacks, but you consistently take disagreement down to a nasty personal level that, IMO, diminishes your credibility no matter how many stores or listings you have.

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This user has validated their user name. by: iheartjacksparrow

Mon Feb 5 19:31:46 2018

RKTOYS writes: "How bad does your situation have to be to flake on a $20 item?"

Surprisingly, the last good year I had selling on eBay (2006), I had two winning bidders on $3 items that didn't pay. And each had over 1000 positive FB. That was back when sellers could still leave negative feedback, which is what each of them got from me. I guess it's easier nowadays for non-paying buyers since they don't have the feedback issue to worry about.

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by: maxmad This user has validated their user name.

Tue Feb 6 08:36:05 2018

Ebay and Paypal  trying to agree on a rate / price is very unlikely, it's a classic case of Greed vs Greed  both run by greedy ruthless people

As they said Two companies better apart,,,,, LOL

Corporate greed on an almost criminal level

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This user has validated their user name. by: RKTOYS

Tue Feb 6 09:56:50 2018

It wasn't slinging mud, not even at Trump (Romney's "small loan of $20K from parents in 1983" was a runner-up).  It just puts your ridicule in context is all.  44K listings, even if they were all one-offs of something cheap like a Matchbox car (don't know your handle to verify what you actually sell), represents more than many small sellers have to put into their business in an entire year.  Assuming you have the sell-through to justify it, that suggests employees, drop-shipping, no day job, or intangible property?

Thus, you sound out of touch with how many of these issues affect others.  And pretty mean about it too.  I don't subscribe to the notion that people in business have to be that way.

Surely, with at least $44K in floating inventory, you're doing well?  Why would somebody doing well be mean on a forum?  I sure wouldn't; I had plans for if I succeeded.  Unless you're not?  With a decent listing promotion, I could probably muster $44K.  But it's all backstock that started to accumulate post-Cassini, so it's not as over-leveraged as it sounds.  It's still manageable, but not if I kept going, thus the wind down.  That will take however long I see fit.  I still think there's a soft(ish) landing in live events.  It's eBay that's not really viable; they're just another cost center that never shrinks and keeps prices high.

On topic, this latest disruption might step up my timetable to buy a few things I've dragged my feet on before product diversity takes another dive...

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This user has validated their user name. by: RKTOYS

Tue Feb 6 10:27:21 2018

By "no day job" I mean no W2 with a boss and set 8-hour schedule.  Selling full-time is a job but in a different context.

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This user has validated their user name. by: toolguy

Tue Feb 6 11:08:58 2018

@RKTOYS

I just found this auction seller last night on eBay

Giant selection of quality 1 off's at auction prices!

Check out the seller NPS

Don't know where they're getting their merchandise but it looks good. . .

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by: mcposty This user has validated their user name.

Wed Feb 7 12:39:14 2018

Sounds to me as business as usual with paypal still being used for eveything, just under ebays paypal.

I love how Ebay said..for more predictability of your funds..no you liars, there is nothing more predictable than the money going straight to me.

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