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by Ina Steiner, Editor of EcommerceBytes.com
Fri Oct 13 2017 22:41:21

eBay Sorry for Testing Haggling But Will Continue

By: Ina Steiner

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On Tuesday we reported that eBay was adding Make an Offer "haggling" to sellers' auction listings with no warning or explanation of why dynamic auctions would need such a feature. Two days later it apologized to sellers in an email it sent to those who were impacted:

"You may have noticed that a Best Offer option was recently added to some of your auction listings created between October 8 and 10. This feature was added to your listings in error. We apologize for the error. We are working to remove the Best Offer feature from your active listings and plan to do so by end of day, Friday, October 13.

"In the meantime, if you wish to avoid receiving offers on affected listings, you can revise your active listings to auto-decline all best offers below your starting price. This will ensure that you will not receive any Best Offer requests for this listing period. However, if your item automatically relists, the Best Offer option will appear on the relisted item. You can revise a listing's auto-decline amount by going to Manage Offer settings on the listing's item page.

"We apologize for any confusion this issue may have caused, and we thank you for selling on eBay."

As we had written, a major concern was that the feature signaled that the starting price of auctions sporting the Make an Offer feature was too high in eBay's determination, which could be devastating to sellers hoping for higher bids, not lowball offers. See the details here.

eBay didn't respond to or acknowledge our request for clarification, sending a further signal about the level of importance it places on providing clear information to sellers. 

eBay moderators did go into several discussion boards where sellers were discussing the issue. On Thursday morning, moderator trinton@ebay wrote:

"I wanted to step in and provide an update on this topic. We have identified an issue where the Best Offer option was incorrectly added to some auction listings that were created between October 8th and 10th. We are actively working on a fix for the impacted listings. We have identified affected sellers and will email them with further instructions. We will be testing this feature with a small number of lower-volume consumer sellers in the coming weeks."

Questions continued, and on Friday, trinton@eBay posted, "Hi, happy to clear up our intentions for this feature. While testing will be performed to gauge the overall impact and changes may occur, the current setup is that if a bid is received on an Auction, the Best Offer option would no longer be available. If there is a Best Offer pending and a bid is received, the Best Offer would automatically be declined. The Best Offer is only intended to be an additional option and would not interfere with the bidding process."

A seller wrote, "So I'm confused as usual. Is this an error that was made on some listings. or is this something that eBay is testing. or both an error and something eBay is testing for future implementation." 

Trinton@ebay replied, "Sorry for the confusion! The error was that this feature was applied to a larger audience than intended and earlier than was planned. This will be a feature that we test in the near future, but with a smaller group of sellers to start."

The whole kerfuffle led to passionate discussions about auction selling strategies and whether adding "Best Offer" to auction format listings any made sense. "I've been so outraged about how this happened......it's driven any idea of whether or not I like the idea/think it could work," noted one seller.

Another pointed out, "The purpose of an auction is for the price to go up. The purpose of best offer is for the price to go down."

It's one thing to gripe about a lack of communication or to disagree about a feature. But when eBay disrupts listings, it can cost sellers money and the goodwill of their customers. 

The fact that eBay didn't automatically credit sellers fees for the listings that were impacted by its error speaks volumes about the current state of its leadership and their attitude towards customers.

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by: eBay Shill Buster This user has validated their user name.

Sat Oct 14 18:46:51 2017

You mean Devin is putting eBay in reverse with innovative ideas like the pulling down of millions of sellers listings?

Even sellers who pay him over 500 bucks a month for store subscriptions?

   http://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/Ebay-is-going-to-destroy-my
-business-removing-old-listings/m-p/26972829#M961108

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by: eBay Shill Buster This user has validated their user name.

Sat Oct 14 18:51:09 2017

Good old Hal Lawton, this was one of his ideas, create more business by pulling down millions of listings sellers already paid for, bright guy there for sure!

  https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/Ebay-is-going-to-destroy-my-busi
ness-removing-old-listings/m-p/27359544#M1024092

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by: pace306 This user has validated their user name.

Sat Oct 14 20:06:47 2017

The DESPERATE attempt(s) to make Q3 numbers look good ..... it smells BAD - not of "teen spirit" either.

Truthfully eBay has no idea where to turn, as they only have 3-4 plays in their "how to screw up business without even trying" playbook.

Desperation = eBay sending out super low discounted store emails - practically BEGGING you to upgrade  ... I just hit DELETE - as everyone should. NEVER feed the Devin troll.

After you raise FVF, after you cut a deal with large sellers/makers, after you force returns on sellers .. what else is there?

If larger sellers are already getting all the business - what is there left to offer any other seller?

"Alexa, please teach eBay about ecommerce"

Internet Retail Magazine says %72 of all ecommerce transactions start with Amazon ... that alone tells you how bad traffic REALLY is.

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by: eBay Shill Buster This user has validated their user name.

Sat Oct 14 20:15:08 2017

Pace, sellers sure will want to buy store subscriptions when Devin and Hal Lawton are pulling down millions of their listings that took a lot of time to put up and these sellers who are the victims of this lunacy are all big spenders on eBay stores.

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This user has validated their user name. by: toolguy

Sat Oct 14 21:12:54 2017

@ ebay shill buster

Stale merchandise needs to be pulled off the shelf!

No retail store would keep it on the shelf so why should eBay?

eBay management is smarter then you give them credit for!

At least Devin Wenig didn't fund any projects Harvey Weinstein was doing like Jeff Bezos did. . .

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by: eBay Shill Buster This user has validated their user name.

Sat Oct 14 21:30:11 2017

Wrong Tool, the mall owner does not tell the store owner what inventory he can put in his store, sorry, you are wrong again.

eBay sellers determine what they list when they pay for a store, moronic executives do not run their stores or determine their inventory, only a fool would think they can get away with these tactics without repercussions.

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This user has validated their user name. by: toolguy

Sat Oct 14 21:40:04 2017

@ebay shill buster

"eBay sellers determine what they list when they pay for a store"

Try listing a handgaurd for a AR-15 and let me know how it goes!

The mall owner (ebay) will close your store!

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by: TomH This user has validated their user name.

Sat Oct 14 21:46:12 2017

The only way you can have a place to find the one-of-a-kind and unique is to have that place and let the sellers list those items without the items being removed by a numskull idiot management with zero real selling knowledge ''saying they are stale and haven't sold in ''whatever period you pick''.

Pierre started it and had the glimmer of the right idea (about 75%), the site was successful. He hired over hyped broad and it has been down hill ever since via the dumb and the over dumb -- and here we are......  Amazon with 72% and now for the last months slowly also being as much as ass....... as ever and pushing small seller to the curb, 1 at a time, but pressure without let up.

And eBay flounders around throwing feces and blood every where like the chickens did on Sunday morning when my Grand ma chopped their head off for the Sunday pot.

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by: eBay Shill Buster This user has validated their user name.

Sat Oct 14 21:46:47 2017

Tool, you are grasping at straws just like Devin is...........

  https://www.google.com/search?num=30&q=ar+15+parts+ebay&oq=ar+15+parts
+ebay&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0j0i8i30k1l6.5800.6590.0.9712.2.2.0.0.0.0.154.292.0j2.2.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.2.287...0i7i30k1j0i8i7i30k1.0.fcIIo7qpRzs

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This user has validated their user name. by: toolguy

Sat Oct 14 22:00:31 2017

@ebay shill buster

From your link!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/223-5-56-10-inch-mid-length-free-
float-quad-rail-handguard-rifle-hand-guard/310952082475?hash=item4866303c2b

Those
were in the OLD DAYS! (2014)

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by: pace306 This user has validated their user name.

Sat Oct 14 22:23:53 2017

"No retail store would keep it on the shelf so why should eBay?"

eBay doesnt store or stock ANYTHING - its all virtual - its all server space which is almost free at that level.

"eBay management is smarter then you give them credit for!"

YES - %3 growth quarter after quarter when your competitors are doing multiples of that EASILY ... yes - very smart LMAO

"Try listing a handgaurd for a AR-15 and let me know how it goes!"

there are plenty of gun stores all over the place - if the item is cleared by the ATF - then there should be no issue.

Mall management (doesnt hide its stores) like eBay does, it doesnt tell them what their sales/returns policy should be either - they take their rent and thats it ...

If you think we are wrong - go to your local mall and ask the first shop keeper you find if mall management tell him/her what payment methods they can take, what items can be on sale, what happens if they dont have a policy they personally agree with and questions like that .. and get back to us please

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This user has validated their user name. by: toolguy

Sat Oct 14 22:40:43 2017

@pace306

A lot of Malls tell stores what they can and can't sell

My local mall DOES not allow gun stores, porno stores, or used item stores!

The Mall management has a whole rule book for leasee's.

I know! I asked about a used tool store and was DENIED. . .

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This user has validated their user name. by: toolguy

Sat Oct 14 22:42:09 2017

And NO cannabis stores!

Even though cannabis will be 100% legal for people over 21

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by: eBay Shill Buster This user has validated their user name.

Sat Oct 14 23:13:51 2017

LOL Tool, you use extreme and far reaching examples to try to make a point, the seller who had thousands of items pulled down by moronic Hal Lawton who was chief of the marketplace when it happened is selling old post cards.

He spent thousands of man hours putting up these listings and the morons running the marketplace simply took his listings down and this man pays the clowns over 500 dollars a month for a store subscription.

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by: pace306 This user has validated their user name.

Sun Oct 15 07:43:14 2017

Malls don’t hide stores from shoppers. They don’t say “don’t buy from Macy’s they only have a 30 day return policy “

They also don’t tell the store what payment methods to use or tell them what brands to carry.

They don’t tell you whether or not you can include contact info in your own ads.

They don’t tell you how to advertise (pictures in your ads), and they don’t tell you how long you can keep items on the shelf.

Cannabis is still a gateway drug - federal offence regardless of what CA says.  

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by: Snapped This user has validated their user name.

Sun Oct 15 07:53:52 2017

''''No retail store would keep it on the shelf so why should eBay?''

eBay doesnt store or stock ANYTHING - its all virtual - its all server space which is almost free at that level.''

More significantly, they are not a retail store business, virtual or otherwise.  What they are doing by enacting 'policies and processes' designed for promoting or demoting particular merchandise is nothing short of attempting inventory control for inventory they have no right to control.  Rather than be a truly innovative participant - and auctions WERE truly innovative once - in a free marketplace that would more economically naturally balance supply and demand, AND respond to and produce fair value, eBay is seeking to influence and unbalance it to increase market share in a market in which they do not invest themselves.  

And every time they do, sparks crackle and flash from every interface they try to modify or enhance to support their latest venue 'innovation' explosion.  Without warning.  

So it's - sorry about the collateral damage, but the bombings will continue?  And that's what ''smart management'' does?

Well, here's what smart management does not do.  They do not force their customers to take or leave what management believes is 'best' for them.  At any level.  Even if they can manage to do it with any measure of competence.

And everything else that follows from this simple business root premise when violated results in the caos, confusion, and decline of that business from the loss of the smart customers that such a business did not give due 'credit' for themselves.  

And that should be apparent to all but the most obtuse by now.


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by: songe-d-automne This user has validated their user name.

Sun Oct 15 09:38:12 2017

@toolguy
How were you able to get rid of Seller Hub? I hate it. Too clunky for what I do.

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by: eBay Shill Buster This user has validated their user name.

Sun Oct 15 09:53:06 2017

https://community.ebay.com/t5/Seller-Hub/I-DO-NOT-LIKE-THE-SELLERS-HUB
-HOW-CAN-I-GO-BACK-TO-MY-OLD/m-p/27551993#M14925

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This user has validated their user name. by: Rexford

Sun Oct 15 09:58:23 2017

Tool regurgitates the same spiel on almost every post. I'd hate to know that all my eggs were in one basket, not only site wise but product wise.  They could pull the plug on you at any given moment Tool, making you invisible in search.

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by: Mark4 This user has validated their user name.

Sun Oct 15 10:08:20 2017

Testing and Haggling right at the holiday season kicks off, brilliant ebay. Cant wait to see the next quarter numbers  

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