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by Ina Steiner, Editor of EcommerceBytes.com
Thu Jan 2 2020 10:20:07

eBay Not Backing Down on Managed Payments or GTC

By: Ina Steiner

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An eBay executive indicated the marketplace will not be backing down on Managed Payments or the GTC mandate (Good Til Cancelled) despite much pushback from sellers. Last week, Jordan Sweetnam addressed seller concerns about two of the biggest changes to the site in 2019.

In one post on the eBay boards, Sweetnam addressed a question from a seller on whether eBay would reconsider forcing all sellers to use Managed Payments, a policy that is being phased in over time. The seller cited eBay's technical glitches on its site as well as reports that sellers enrolled in Managed Payments already had seen their funds held for weeks with no explanation.

"I am happy with PayPal," the seller wrote. " I do not want to switch. I get my payments immediately thru PayPal. Will you reconsider forcing all sellers to use Managed Payments?"

Sellers also raised the issue of eBay Managed Payment fees, which can be more costly for certain kinds of transactions - while PayPal has a per transaction fee of 30 cents, eBay charges 25 cents per listing. One seller of antique postcards explained, "If I sell 40 different postcards to a buyer, the per item fee of Managed Payments would be $10. I know of no other payment system that charges a per item fee instead of a transaction fee."

Sweetnam said there were no plans to reverse course on Managed Payments. In a confusing analogy, he compared eBay's reliance on PayPal to the US nearly pulling out of the UPU (Universal Postal Union). "When eBay is fully dependent on one solution, we can't bring the best solution/cost to your businesses," he said. 

"Moving to Managed Payments still allows buyers to use PayPal, but as we progress, it will also allow GooglePay, ApplePay and solutions like EFT + Wire Transfer," he said.

"All of these additional payments will bring more shoppers onto our platform and, in the case of EFT + Wire Transfer, allow sellers who can't make money with today's PayPal fees be successful on our platform on really high priced items. We've already processed over $1 billion in payments and have no plans to slow down."

He also criticized PayPal for not refunding transaction fees when a seller refunds a buyer, but to our knowledge, eBay has never said it wouldn't engage in the same practice.

Sweetnam actually addressed that issue on page 2 of a separate thread, writing:

"Obviously PayPal is their own business and is free to make the choices they feel appropriate for the service they provide. There is a cost to process a payment and there is a cost to refund a payment... so it's hard to question the entirety of their decision.

"Now is that cost to serve equal to the full amount of fees paid? That doesn't sit right with me. At the core I still operate under the philosophy that we (eBay) are successful when you (our sellers) our successful... if you sell something we both make money... if you get a refund I'm not sure that should put you in the negative on the transaction. 

"I can't promise you where we will land with managed payments (there is still a lot our teams are working through), but this should give you a sense of where I'm philosophically leaning."

Sweetnam also made a very surprising admission - he's unfamiliar with eBay Managed Payments per-listing fee structure. "It was actually news to me recently about the difference in the "per item" vs "per transaction" fee. If you are selling 40 different postcards to one customer in the same transaction I agree it would seem odd for us to charge the per item on each one. I don't have the full history here, but will dig into it."

Sweetnam returned to eBay in July after a stint at Walmart and is now Senior Vice President and General Manager, Americas Market at eBay.

"A lot will change and become clear as we get further into next year, so please keep providing the feedback," he said in the post on the eBay boards.

No Plans to Reverse Good Til Cancelled Mandate
Sweetnam also told sellers eBay has no plans to reverse the decision about the GTC mandate. "I’ve heard of a lot of things since I've returned that don't make sense (and will drive to change), but to be clear I haven't seen (yet) an example where the move on GTC is the wrong one," he wrote.

"GTC listings have better sell thru, the permanent item ID improves how those items appear in SEO (that helps everyone) and a consistent item ID helps search deliver better ranking."

He also said the practice of starting and stopping short duration repeatedly to appear at the top of time newly listed search results was bad for buyers and overall search relevance, which he said hurts all sellers.

"If you'd like to share other use cases, I'm certainly willing to listen and discuss," he wrote on the post about GTC on the eBay discussion boards.

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by: pace306 This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jan 6 11:14:05 2020

"So first they prohibit all these payment options and allow PP only and now they want to impose their system and as an excuse they say they want to offer the formerly prohibited payments."

Its not about the types of payments eBay wants buyers to be able to use.

Its ONLY about control over the funds and how they are disbursed. Anyone who tells you differently is simply not telling you the truth.

GTC also negates the "free listings" that eBay gives you, its the 3 item in the troika that eBay lies about. 1) amount of items on eBay (lies to Wall Street and investors 2) assumes that casual sellers will forget to end/relist and therefore they make more money 3) it uses up the magical free listings - making eBays offer SEEM generous

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by: Mark4 This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jan 6 13:41:59 2020

Folks do as we did. Start your own website, sell locally on facebook marketplace. Don't depend on this dumpster fire of a marketplace to make your money. The ship is sinking fast.  

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by: Geetar This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jan 6 16:06:46 2020

IDK, I dont like the idea of managed payments. But what am I going to do?
I am going to switch all of my listings over to free shipping any way, so that will take care of the $.25. It seems they rigged my listings not to sell since I have calculated shipping on a lot of them. So if I end up with the sames sales, I dont care.

The thing that bothers me is that it is easier from a stand point of bookkeeping using paypal. It's all there. Ebay has things hidden, and you have to find them.
How many variances using ebay's reports, a lot. Enough to pull your hair out.
Things have been the same pretty much for the past 7-8 yrs, except for the past 2. More fee's, taxes, returns, hiding shipping costs for returns. I dont need that.

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by: flybuy This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jan 6 16:42:03 2020

Who stands to benefit from the Ebay changes is Mark Zuckerberg. If he is smart he will tweak Facebook Marketplace to help sellers who are willing to ship. More and more people will list on FB and Instagram and use Paypal.
People sell on Ebay because they get their money when the item sells. When they can no longer do that, they will look at other platforms.
Instead of begging Ebay to change the policy about managed payments, sellers should ask Facebook to up their game. You cannot tell me that Mark Zuckerberg and the senior management at Facebook would not be laughing all the way to the bank if they acquire a lot of disillusioned Ebay sellers.

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This user has validated their user name. by: CanBrit

Mon Jan 6 17:23:08 2020

Dear Mr. Sweetnam:

Yes it's me again. One of your favorite posters.

Guess what, it happened again!!! Imagine that. I ended and relisted 27 items today. Wowser. I received 6 emails this time on the new listings. That's just today. 3 sales out of it. Nice huh?

Now who would have ever thought that you haven't heard a valid reason for cancelling GTC. Seems to me you're just not listening.

Everyone, if you have room in your listings, start cancelling a few each week or month. It makes a world of difference to the bottom line.
😸😸😸😸😸

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This user has validated their user name. by: toolguy

Tue Jan 7 11:52:15 2020

GTC

z50com: eBay gives us 250 free listings, that's how many we list

vw: eBay gives us 100 free listings so that's how many we list

aircraft-tools: eBay gives us 100 free listings so guess how many we have running? (I''m working on it)

The GTC listing fiasco doesn't affect me because I only run what my stores have aloted. . .

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by: eBay Shill Buster This user has validated their user name.

Tue Jan 7 14:36:44 2020

Automated good til canceled fee chuning is a profit center for eBay they think they need more than inventory that is being pulled by sellers, we ending over 10 thousand dollars worth of listings today so we do not get fee churned by White Collar Criminals.

How they think that is going to make eBay money is beyond sound logic, they must know that sales are so bad this is the only way they can keep the Titanic from going under, you can't sell anything from an empty wagon.

AI is not going to save the inept executives running eBay.

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This user has validated their user name. by: Carl

Tue Jan 7 18:20:49 2020

I still can't work out why over in America you are charged for the GTC relists? In the UK, they are free and do not come off the 1,000 free listings a month.
You get to list 1,000 unique items a month...strange.

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by: eBay Shill Buster This user has validated their user name.

Wed Jan 8 00:06:50 2020

UK is run by different executive management than the US marketplace, they have a lot more common sense than the criminals running the US marketplace.

GMV is falling and has been negative for years, now this policy has sellers removing inventory from eBay, that is no way to grow GMV. If not for Donahoe's 10% tax on sellers shipping , eBay would have been showing negative GMV since the inception of the rip off on shipping fees.

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This user has validated their user name. by: iheartjacksparrow

Fri Jan 10 14:00:34 2020

To add to what Mark4 states above, open a store on eCrater. There are no store fees, no GTC, no Mangled Payments. You can choose to accept PayPal or Stripe to process your payments (or even take money orders or checks).  

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by: bmkv This user has validated their user name.

Sat Aug 29 00:10:00 2020

Im done. I have been an ebay seller for 15 years. Given them 1000s of dollars in fees. i have already dealt with a ton of fraud in returns, what do they think is going to happen when a buyer can return something for any reason, and automatically get a refund? I have to ship items *before* i get payment, but returns automatically take funds out of my bank? I just screwed out of three items shipping, and the returns were clearly buyers remorse/ fraud, and all i got was one automated message.

In the middle of a pandemic, they change the structure we have been used to for years, take away a ton of seller protection, and screw us out of more money, while also requiring more useless info sections to be filled in on every item, and change how international shipping works.

Im done. Ive given them enough money to run a crappy server that doesn't work half the time. Please someone develop a better platform. I'm taking my listings down. Really, its just enough.  

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