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Mon June 6 2022 10:01:50

Will New Etsy Purchase Protection Program Help or Hurt Sellers?

By: Ina Steiner

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Etsy announced a new buyer protection program today: "Starting August 1, buyers will receive a full refund for purchases on Etsy.com in the rare cases that they don't match the item description, arrive damaged, or never arrive."

In a press release on its Investor Relations website, Etsy stated in part: "The company plans to invest at least $25 million per year into the purchase protection program to cover refunds on behalf of sellers for qualifying orders up to $250, enabling them to keep their earnings from sales when things happen outside of their control."

Sellers are protected to some degree as a result of the new policy for items that don't arrive and for disputes about listing accuracy, assuming the listing was accurate.

However, the new program will not protect sellers for items that arrive damaged. It may cover a seller's first case related to a damaged item in each calendar year - though it requires sellers to go through their shipping-insurance program first.

Here's the key portion of the new program from the seller-protection point of view:

Etsy's Purchase Protection program for sellers applies to cases where the item does not arrive, and disputes about listing accuracy. In general, it will not apply to cases concerning damaged items, however Etsy may cover a seller’s first case related to a damaged item in each calendar year.

For cases where the item does not arrive, Etsy Purchase Protection protects sellers for orders that are shipped, but ultimately not received at their final destination. Sellers who meet the eligibility criteria outlined here may not be held financially responsible for such non-delivery cases that result in a buyer refund.

For disputes about listing accuracy, Etsy Purchase Protection protects sellers for orders that match the listing description and photos, where a buyer claims it does not. Etsy does not cover orders that differ from the listing description, so, we strongly recommend using accurate photos and descriptions when listing an item.

For cases where the item arrives damaged, Etsy Purchase Protection supports sellers with their first eligible case starting August 1, 2022 and once for each calendar year (January to December) thereafter. Otherwise, sellers are responsible for resolving cases where the buyer has reported that an item has arrived damaged. For this reason, we recommend packaging all items securely, and purchasing shipping insurance.

One seller reacting on the company's discussion boards referenced the recent fee hike Etsy imposed in their reaction to the new buyer protection policy and its impact on sellers:

"Very few parcels from my shop get shipped without insurance, (domestic letterpost only).

"And on the rare time something is legitimately lost or arrives damaged, I refund & take it up with my insurer. 

"What is the benefit to me?

"So our extra 1.5% is going to be used to subsidize the shops that don't ship with insurance? NO THANK YOU!"

There are lots of pages sellers should study to completely understand the new program.






The program takes effect on August 1, 2022. Is there anything else you found of interest? And how will the new policy impact you?



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by: LDWCallsOut This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jun 6 11:01:05 2022

This looks mostly like Etsy doubling down on their policy of allowing resellers and fauxtiques dealers when their House Rules say these items are not allowed.

The majority of items listed for sale on Etsy are NOT AS DESCRIBED and priced under $250.

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by: Snapped This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jun 6 11:17:32 2022

Looks ‘familiar’. (Ya think?)

The biggest issue with these venue’s ‘buyer protection’ policies is the venue itself.  They do not employ due process.  They do not accept, review or judge actual evidence.  Bots accuse, judge and sentence, and there is no accountability for false accusation.  

There is no part of any of this that will ‘help’ a seller.  Because it’s not designed to.  It’s designed to help Etsy at seller expense.

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by: postbuster This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jun 6 15:56:22 2022

Guaranteed it will hurt sellers.

Anytime one of those filthy liars open their mouth is to a great disadvantage to the seller.  
They just assume that saying anything pro-seller is taken as gospel.  Because you just can't make a public announcement of the truth nowadays.  
They will always assume credit at someone else's expense.

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by: gyanarthi This user has validated their user name.

Thu Jun 9 00:39:09 2022

I think I'm not a participant in this ''latest greatest thing to help sellers''..  I've been using Pirate Ship for years now... It seems like a ploy to get more sellers to use ETSY for labels... I can't see how it won't be another big mess...
I stopped accepting returns after a customer returned an expensive necklace, saying ''Very nice, but it didn't make the cut!'' ...meaning she ordered several items to pick the one she liked best. She kept it for 30 days so she probably got some wear out of it too. This seems like it will just further enable buyers like this.

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by: Cbaker This user has validated their user name.

Thu Jun 9 04:57:36 2022

So any buyer who’s savvy can say, doesn’t match description and the AI bot will auto refund and sellers have no recourse.  This won’t encourage scams at all. 🤦‍♀️

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by: Queen of the Jungle This user has validated their user name.

Thu Jun 9 08:37:00 2022

Everything they do is designed to take money out of the sellers' pockets.

Etsy does not own anything.  Etsy does not warehouse or ship anything.

The sellers do everything.  All that Etsy does is provide a platform.

For many of us who sell handmade goods and vintage we don't really have a good alternative with built in traffic.  

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by: Queen of the Jungle This user has validated their user name.

Thu Jun 9 08:38:20 2022

By the way- it's been awhile since I asked this, but does anyone have any recommendations for vintage and handmade that actually have traffic?  Not interested in Ebay or Amazon Handmade which is worse than ETsy.

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by: Ophelia1 This user has validated their user name.

Thu Jun 9 08:55:15 2022

by: Queen of the Jungle:

There is a new marketpplace called GoImagine,sounds like your items may work on this site. This is their link:  https://goimagine.com/

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by: LDWCallsOut This user has validated their user name.

Thu Jun 9 11:17:29 2022

GoImagine doesn't do vintage/antiques.  They borrowed the ''Art and Collectibles'' category from Etsy, and you won't find any collectibles there.  I didn't look at all the items, but I didn't see any art there, either.

If you sell vintage wearables (clothing, accessories, jewelry) there are some smaller sites dedicated to that.  For all other types of vintage and antique items, there are no sites dedicated to that.  Sure, there are sites that claim to be that, but they are full of fakes.

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by: AntiqueGirly This user has validated their user name.

Thu Jun 9 12:51:15 2022

Etsy has done a lot of very questionable things but this one is just over-the-top outrageous.  First, buyers just don't read the entire description I've noticed.  They read the title and browse photos.  Of course Etsy has made it hard to read the entire description because they cut it off a long time ago and you have to click a button to see it all.

If they're going to do this then they should provide a radio button that must be checked off that confirms the buyer has read the entire description before they are allowed to purchase.  Everything can't be on the seller, its ridiculous.  Its also crazy to assume that unscrupulous buyers aren't going to use and abuse this sellers, because they already do, this will only make it worse.  

I offer expensive antiques and vintage and this 'arrived broken' is the craziest thing I've ever heard of and is not fair.  What's more, they only cover up to $250.00 which basically puts the onus back on us.  

I know we're only churn but for goodness sake, do they really want to lose all legitimate sellers and rely on the drop-shippers and crap from overseas?  

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by: LDWCallsOut This user has validated their user name.

Thu Jun 9 14:14:27 2022

AntiqueGirly sez:  ''I know we're only churn but for goodness sake, do they really want to lose all legitimate sellers and rely on the drop-shippers and crap from overseas?''

In a word, YES!

Does anyone remember a few years ago (before COVID) when Silverman said in some interview that he was excited about Etsy offering ''customized vintage'' for the upcoming Winter Holiday shopping season?  Etsy's ideal ''vintage:'' is brand new, preferably personalized in some way.  That way it can be BOTH mass made in China AND ''handmade'' according to Etsy's House Rules.  Vintage is just thrown in there as a buzz word.

Etsy designs and codes its features for the kind of seller who has many multiples of items listed for sale in the shop.  One of a kind, or hard to find, items haven't fit in with Etsy's corporate vision for most of a decade now.  Whether it's an artist created unique original work, or a scarce antique, Etsy doesn't care if sellers ''come, stay, lay, or pray'' (borrowing from FAST TIMES AT RIDGEMONT HIGH) because their ''toes are still tappin' ''.  Asian factories are dumping many more products onto the planet than humanity needs, or even wants.  If some get ''broken'' or ''lost in the mail'' or ''porch pirated'', it's no big deal.  Etsy is part of that over-production over-consumption model now.

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This user has validated their user name. by: epuise

Thu Jun 9 16:12:07 2022

Less Traffic... Fewer Sales... Higher Postage & Fees... Lower profits...
And, now... Protecting "Buyers" from themselves...
What's left ?

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by: postbuster This user has validated their user name.

Fri Jun 10 05:08:24 2022

@ epuise

Ghost towns.

There is no advantage to being a seller for platforms anymore. Every dirty criminal has their hands in all of our profit margins and more.
These sites just encourage and enable theft from every angle, Venue, Shipping, & Buyer.

We have been exploited to fuel a machine to destroy independent businesses.
All for the useless and pretentious executives.

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by: AntiqueGirly This user has validated their user name.

Fri Jun 10 07:06:01 2022

This basically exposes sellers to unscrupulous buyers while giving us zero support or cover - that is a huge huge betrayal on many levels.  

This is about more than money, its about paying to be on a platform that is there for YOU and as a partner (least that's what they like to communicate.)  My recent experiences tell me that if they don't feel like responding they won't.  I sent an email over 1 month ago about items they deactivated which absolutely complied with their own rules.  The items are still deactivated and I've not heard from anyone.

Have my own website but getting enough traffic to is is really next to impossible unless you have a big budget to throw at it.  Also a very niche antique market which makes it harder.

I'm heartbroken and angry at the stab in the back.

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This user has validated their user name. by: The End

Fri Jun 10 08:53:08 2022

Well, speaking strictly from MY experience, Etsy buyers a REALLY Stupid.
I mean.....apparently publik skool hasn't taught anything truly useful in at least 30 years.
And with the role out of an "Etsy Program" every 5 minutes, you'd think it wouldn't take more than a week to PASS / FAIL the thing. I don't know of ANY "Etsy programs" beyond the basic Etsy listing routine serving without flack. Just pare down Etsy back to the basic listing routine.
Swallow whatever "pride" and GET TO BACK TO BUSINESS ! ! !
Etsy should lose these buttons on the left menu :
Star Seller
Stats
Integrations
Marketing
We just want to login , list, tend to messages all with NO DISTRACTIONS.
It seems no one in Etsy ever had to run a SUCCESSFUL business, and therefore they torture and bully us to fill their time.
Etsy is NOT a successful business. If it was, A) they wouldn't be listed on the stock market, and B) they wouldn't be raising costs all the time.
Etsy is a failure.

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by: Stone Cutter This user has validated their user name.

Fri Jun 10 10:35:23 2022

***Sellers are scammers too***
There are a whole bunch of Etsy Sellers who do NOT accept Returns. Etsy is protecting Buyers from scammer Sellers who take our money while providing inaccurate descriptions...

As a US seller, I’ve had problems with Sellers in India. Bad photos and inaccurate descriptions have kept me away from purchasing from Overseas Sellers.  

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by: Stone Cutter This user has validated their user name.

Fri Jun 10 10:41:27 2022

@ The End
You say Etsy should lose “buttons on the left”. The “Stats” button provides my shop with valuable information, so no, I would not want Etsy to eliminate “Stats”. If you do not like these buttons, then don’t use them. What does not work for your Shop may work for other Shops.  

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by: Stone Cutter This user has validated their user name.

Fri Jun 10 13:52:00 2022

*** Etsy Buyer protection saves me money***

Through USPS, I spend an additional $5.00 to insure my products priced at $200. But now, Etsy says they will provide insurance for products up to $250.  If this new program is legit and works well, I will save $5.00 in shipping by not including insurance with USPS.  I always pack well and use strong boxes, however, I always insure for postal loses.  

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This user has validated their user name. by: The End

Fri Jun 10 16:05:02 2022

STONE CUTTER :
STOP BASHING ME.
Do I criticize you ?
NO.
Now, GET OFF ME AND GO AWAY !

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by: postbuster This user has validated their user name.

Fri Jun 10 16:52:20 2022

This is a must see.
Shows just a few of whom we are making rich and how much they appreciate it.
No one will step in to stop them, Government (Right or Left) will do nothing because they aren't interested in losing 'their own' taxpayer money.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/light-elon-musk-discussing-fir
ing-014602144.html

   
Be sure to hold your ankles firmly, this type of very tiny and weak people are trying to make up for some very basic level shortcomings in life.
Executives steering the future of OUR world.
Where would the economy be if businesses didn't pay their salaries?
Better yet, if these people didn't exist?



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