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Fri May 14 2021 22:57:10

eBay Shoppers' Saved Searches in Shambles

By: Ina Steiner

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It's one thing to make things harder for sellers, many of whom feel they have no choice but to jump through hoops. It's another thing to create obstacles for buyers. But that's what some are saying eBay has done this week with category changes, rendering some "saved searches" useless.

Sellers have been bemoaning the changes eBay rolled out this week - for example, yesterday's letter to the editor was from a seller of antiquities whose items were lumped in with modern day figurines, he said. 

In the comments section, a reader provided an example of the problem sellers face: "The "Asian Antiques" subcategory still exists, so there is a place to list an 18th century Qianlong Chinese vase. But if you have an 18th century Meissen vase to list, it goes with the Hummels into "Collectibles.""

A comic book seller wrote yesterday and included a link to an article about changes eBay made to comic book categories, calling it "a complete mess" for his business. The article in Bleeding Cool titled, "eBay Changes Categories, Comics Collectors Despair" explained how it was impacting comic book collectors:

"(eBay) moved all the comic book eras (Gold, Silver, Bronze, Copper, Modern, etc) and all the genre types (Horror, Superhero, Funny Animal, etc) down from categories into checkboxes. And as a result, making many collectors' saved searches and alerts, useless. And making finding specific comics a lot harder, all placed into one catch-all category."

If collectors can't find what they're looking for, it impacts sellers.

There are also reports that the changes to Item Specifics are causing chaos for sellers in affected categories.

Sound like déjà vu? Sellers in Clothing categories were seriously impacted when eBay changed Item Specifics in October 2019.
 
An eBay moderator responded to some of the reports from sellers this week, writing in part:

"We're sorry to hear that you have had a frustrating experience today as a result of the category changes. Holiday & Seasonal, Action Figures, Comic Books, Sports Trading Cards and Books were all affected by category changes launched today. These areas were all part of the 2021 Spring Seller Update 

"In these areas we have transitioned existing category structure into more flexible item specifics. For example in comics the age and character-based categories have been deprecated and replaced by product type categories. These distinctions will now be available as filters which allows buyers more flexibility in what they search for and allows us to maintain and update Item specifics on an ongoing basis without the need for future disruption. For example, in comics you had to choose a comic tradition and then an age whereas now in one category you can see all things Spiderman, then select what Era(s) you want to view."

Another potential problem for sellers: the potential for surprise fees. A seller on the eBay boards reminded colleagues that if eBay moves their listings as a result of a category change, then "Generally speaking, when your item(s) is moved to a new category with different final value fees, it will adopt the final value fees of that new category."

"One example- If you listed anything in a category that included free Gallery Plus and those listings were moved into a different category that doesn't offer free Gallery Plus- each of those listings will result in $1 listing upgrade fee," the seller said. 

The seller, "coffeebean832," returned and pointed to another thread where a seller reported that very issue: "My items are in the Collectibles category and eBay just charged me $158.00 in Gallery plus fees!!! This has always been a FREE service in Collectibles - so last night when they re-listed my current comic strips after the 30 days were up - this giant fee was charged. Someone on eBay staff please help!"

In that case, it appears the charge may have been a glitch, according reports in subsequent posts. Either way, the threads show it's vital for sellers to check their listings and review their invoices carefully.

eBay acknowledged that this week's transition was rocky and apologized, writing in part on Tuesday: "As the category changes roll out there will be some fluctuation in the item specifics and left-hand navigation filters. This should settle down in the next 24-48 hours. We apologize for the inconvenience in the meantime."

Part of the problem was that eBay had announced the changes to category and item specifics in early March, but never issued a reminder, so sellers felt blindsided two-and-a-half months later. We read several posts by sellers who said eBay should have reminded sellers of the changes that were announced, such as the seller who wrote:

"I did read/skim thru the Seller update when it came out. BUT, there is no reason you cannot communicate better with Sellers when changes are actually eminent and about to occur."

One seller on the thread said they welcomed the changes in Holiday & Seasonal categories, however: 

"Honestly, it was desperately needed. The old categories were an absolute MESS, and I say this as someone who also sells holiday/seasonal/Christmas stuff on a regular basis. There were ten times more categories than were actually needed, and the end result meant that it was next to impossible at times to decide which category you should use to list a particular item when it could logically fit into about six different ones."

But the majority of comments we're seeing from sellers are more in line with what this seller had to say (we added paragraph breaks for readability):

"I have 1,235 comics on eBay. I've noticed you've deleted what I've written in the Condition Description box unless I check it.  So if I said it had a crease on the back, it isn't seen unless I individually update all 1,235 comics? 

"And all this other silliness: character (it's usually in the listing title), condition (that's usually in the listing title or in the Condition Description), and more. Are you asking me to update 1,235 comics with silliness such as "type of cover" (it's a comic book, it's a softcover, that's the ultimate description). 

"There appears to be no universal update for the subtle descriptions that I need to explain my grading of the comic. 

"I'm looking for a reasonable explanation why you did this, why you didn't tell us, and what I can do to my vast amount of listings without spending the next few weeks doing it individually. 

"I don't think this is better. I think you will see a serious drop in sales, therefore a serious drop in eBay revenue. 

"Why are people who have never listed on eBay, never in particular listed comics, making decisions that seem baffling. The old system worked even though not all the listings were shown when asking for e.i. D.C. Tarzan #210. You say all listings will now be shown. If that were true it would be great, but I doubt it. There's more wrong with this "eBay update for comics" but let's hear what you have to say about this first."  

Sellers of items in some of the categories impacted, like comic books and sports trading cards, list thousands or tens of thousands of items, making the challenge of revising them one by one feel insurmountable.



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by: AddyUp This user has validated their user name.

Sat May 15 09:04:05 2021

I never use any sort of ebay "saves". I prefer to keep any necessary repeat searches as direct browser links. As the ebay saves always periodically mess up when some site change or other is made.



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by: Smallseller This user has validated their user name.

Sat May 15 11:38:25 2021

I remember after the clothing fiasco, ebay said that the item specifics issue would not happen again and the item specifics would be automatically rolled over into the new categories. Obviously this was not the case. It is hard to imagine that with all the extra money from the buybacks, that ebay cannot hire programmers to avoid these kinds of disasters.

And no one has mentioned that at the same time accepting offers and sending counter offers was down for 48 hours.

This is on top of the nonsensical item specifics that sellers are asked to fill in, with the threat hanging over our heads that if we do not fill them in, that our items will not be seen. The Auction Professor did an experiment with 8,000 listings, half with and half without item specifics and those without outperformed those with in sales.

I can understand a minimum of item specifics, but buyers who are searching for something, will type in what they want in the item title and expect they will be able to find what they want. They don't want to spend all their time checking off boxes. When I do my searches, I type what I want in the search bar and usually the only box I use in the left hand navigation is Condition.

Why did they not do a survey of both buyers and sellers to see how buyers search and what they need? There must be a financial reason why ebay has made all these category changes - possibly to make future fee increases easier.

And why are all the item specifics necessary in the first place? If the actual search returned what is is supposed to, they would not be necessary.

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by: Silver Ice King This user has validated their user name.

Sat May 15 15:19:28 2021

All of these constant changes are because people are trying to justify their existence at Ebay and the easiest way is to recommend and institute massive changes that will also result in more fees for Ebay when the Sellers do not realize the rules are different in the category they are now in.  Everything that Ebay does now is aimed at taking more and more money from their existing sellers rather than trying to grow the business by bringing in more buyers or convincing even attempting to grow the business through additional sales growth.  This idea was started by Wenig who knew nothing about running any business (just look at what happened with his fathers company when he passed away and Devin Wenig took it over), let alone an ecommerce business and unfortunately for shareholders as well as what is left of Ebays Sellers Iannone has just followed along with Wenigs plan which was showing the worst results imaginable by any company.

Ebay management seems determined to run their platform into the ground for some reason.  When they sold off Stub Hub and the Classifieds that money was supposed to have been earmarked to fix the problems with the platform.  Instead almost every penny spend has been used to repurchase stock to try and artificially inflate the stock price, or who knows, maybe they are hoping to take Ebay private  once again so they don't have to listen to anybody but themselves...ROFLMAO if that happens!!!

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by: I Must be Crazy This user has validated their user name.

Sat May 15 22:54:54 2021

Ebay messing around with the site again. I figured something must be up. My traffic and sales have dropped by half in the last week.

The slow spiral downward continues.

Way to go dopes. Keep up the great work.

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This user has validated their user name. by: Ric

Sun May 16 18:21:51 2021

So, the Wall Street dopes imported from WalMart are either there to destroy the market place or are prepping it to be absorbed by WalMart?

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This user has validated their user name. by: cfrphoto

Mon May 17 01:03:26 2021

The combination of Filters and Item Specifics do not function well when eBay defined filter values are poorly chosen or are not consistent with usage in the larger marketplace. The eBay Stamp category Item Specifics values, not changed this time around, include nonstandard abbreviations instead of a word or phrase. It appears that seller Item Specifics must exactly match pre-defined eBay filter values. Is an unsophisticated matching algorithm is used instead of a smarter search with the ability to match abbreviations with phrases? A small competitor, HipStamp, can match inexact search strings with item specifics. Sellers who create listings on the desktop or from a database must play an endless game of Battleship with constantly shifting predefined eBay filter values. Has eBay failed to recognize that many sellers must create item specific names and values long before listings are created or posted?

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by: Chicago48 This user has validated their user name.

Mon May 17 03:20:18 2021

Ebay messing around with the site again. I figured something must be up. My traffic and sales have dropped by half in the last week.
^^
THIS.

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by: wrslss1222 This user has validated their user name.

Mon May 17 06:29:24 2021

Once again uses the excuse that buyer searches have caused changes in categories.  I doubt that any of these decision makers actually have a lot to sell on eBay so their knowledge of what should be changed is limited.  eBay continues to make more work for sellers and continues to confuse both sellers and buyers with these category changes.  Unfortunately sellers like me have to grin and bare it because eBay obviously does not care about what we think.

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This user has validated their user name. by: Philo

Mon May 17 06:37:29 2021

turbo lister is looking pretty good right now...

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by: plcombs This user has validated their user name.

Tue May 18 06:53:12 2021

eBay's mindset is and has been for over a decade is, as long as we are here providing a platform, sellers won't leave as long as Buyers are on the site looking for things. Sellers will put up with whatever eBay dictates is their attitude.

TIme and again this has proven a false notion and is why eBay has not grown exponentially the way ETSY, Liveauctioneers, Invaluable and Amazon have.  Liveauctioneers started on eBay, eBay kicked them off as the MODEL was considered un-viable, since then Liveauctioneers alone has handled over 70 Billion in sales...Pretty good for a non-viable business model...with fewer than 100 employees.  

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This user has validated their user name. by: Bob

Sun May 30 13:20:56 2021

Ebay is so messed up so convoluted that those seeking to justify their jobs just throw something against the  wall, not to see if it "sticks", but just to see how Sellers react then try to reverse engineer what they have messed up.  



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