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Sun July 18 2010 14:50:04

Indiana AG Halts eBay Auctions Due to Onerous Policies

By: Ina Steiner

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Quite a few people sent me a link to this JournalGazette.net article, "eBay snags halt sale of unclaimed." The author, Frank Gray, spoke to Indiana's Attorney General office about its decision to stop auctioning off abandoned property from safe deposit boxes. The three reasons cited by the AG's Director of Unclaimed Property in the article:

1) eBay required the state to use its own hand-picked appraisers, rather than local experts.

2) eBay required the state accept PayPal, "which created a conflict because the attorney general deals with consumer complaints about the company."

3) PayPal gives buyers automatic refunds, which is no good in an as-is auction.

BTW, the AG publishes some interesting statistics, found here - 81 percent of the value of unclaimed property in Indiana is valued at under $100.

Read the full article, and let me know what you think. Any suggestions for Indiana?




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by: On Lies and Secrets This user has validated their user name.

Sun Jul 18 16:22:54 2010

I think the article outlines many of the problems that regular sellers have been having on ebay for some time - the ebay corpration's unchecked greed and costs have far outstripped the value of the services it has to offer.  Paypal is far too risky, unsafe and problematic.  It simply isn't worth it for the state of Indiana to deal with ebay anymore.

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by: Joey

Sun Jul 18 16:53:56 2010

This article should be a wake up call to eBay. But it won't. After all, how do you wake up a corporation that's brain dead? It's time for the eBay board of directors to be held accountable for the ever downward spiral of the company. How about some disruptive innovation? Fire JD (the psychopath) and Griff (the sycophant). New management NOW!

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by: Troglodyte

Sun Jul 18 17:22:30 2010

Indiana sellers have an unprecedented opportunity now to inform their AG about ALL the probably abusive and illegal ebay/PayPal practices as anti trust ahd fiar trade practices issues.

It just would take a few awakened AGs (Spitzer got them when he was NY AG) to get the ball rolling.

Any AG who affirmatively goes after the ebay criminal syndicate deserves a campaign contribution.

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by: fat frog

Sun Jul 18 19:23:42 2010

Tell me it ain't so. An AG with a brain.

At least he had the common sense to say no, unlike a lot of the sellers on Ebay.

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by: Indiana Wants me

Sun Jul 18 20:18:12 2010

How about some criminal action agaisnt the two that caused these hardships to sellers and continue to commit fraud to sellers? isn't it time to arrest & convict donohoe for felonies agaisnt sellers and griff for aiding & abetting criminal activity? Indiana wants these two.

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by: Buck Efay

Sun Jul 18 20:39:05 2010

Really! I wish that $10,000 watch had been "SNAD", and a rock returned & the state ripped off by Paypal too for the $2000 they got for the item. love to see the Indiana AG go after Scumbay. More proof no serious businessman would accept the fascist anti seller behavior exhibited by the jackbooted thugs at Feebay.

"After all, how do you wake up a corporation that's brain dead?"
Corporations are not people, therefore cannot be brain dead. However Ebay's current management's abject failure in understanding their niche & the arrogance of a brain dead, entitled trust fund baby have created the dysfunctional culture & will be the death of the last legacy of the Dotcom era.

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by: Patricia This user has validated their user name.

Sun Jul 18 20:40:42 2010

Looks like Ebay is going to lose out on millions of dollars worth of property.  Well, not everyone is forced to take their draconian rules and policies.  apparently, Indiana doesn't NEED Ebay! ;-)

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by: Daisy

Sun Jul 18 20:46:16 2010

Ebay is just a bunch of greedy pigs. It's cost them already and it will cost them more in the future. This is very bad press for them. I hope the story gets picked up by a major news service.

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by: me

Sun Jul 18 21:38:40 2010

You just can't buy advertising like that. lol.

I'd be curious to know the volume of complaints (per time period too ) the office received?

I'm sure that some of ebay's paypal regular advisors and forum fanbois would love to rebutt this. Maybe they will call the Indiana State AG a liar and/or thief? (as they do to everyone else who has issues with paypal and ebay.)

Actually I would love to see any  response or comments to this from management. Hopefully next time someone interviews one of them they can sneak that in.

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by: buck efay

Sun Jul 18 22:07:00 2010

Come to think of it, Ebay. SUCKS.

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by: Jim Cockrum
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Mon Jul 19 00:57:23 2010

I live in Indiana and know of this AG.  I'm not convinced it's a smart move based solely on the three reasons listed above. I'll give a brief reason why on each point:

1) eBay required the state to use its own hand-picked appraisers...

RESPONSE: If you don't like the appraised price sell it a different way. This doesn't shut down the eBay opportunity entirely. That's an overreaction.

2) eBay required the state accept PayPal, "which created a conflict because the attorney general deals with consumer complaints about the company."
RESPONSE:
I'll bet the AG's office has dealt with consumer complaints against Visa, Mastercard, and every major bank in the U.S. at some point too. Can we still pay with those options at a state auction? If so, why?

3) PayPal gives buyers automatic refunds, which is no good in an as-is auction.

RESPONSE: If you are only selling items "as is" you are going to loose a TON of bidding action and drastically lower eBay final sale price. There is ZERO protection for a customer in an 'as is' environment and I applaud eBay for protecting buyers from getting a lemon. Also,  I'm now going to be going to a lot of Indiana state auctions to pick up the "good stuff" to sell on eBay since it's passing to tiny local crowds only.

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by: Patricia This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jul 19 01:13:26 2010

@Jim cockrum - I've been to police auctions - everything they sell is on an as is basis....no refunds....no returns.  These are not retailers - they're auctioning confiscated goods.

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by: Rich

Mon Jul 19 01:58:16 2010

I think the AG should avoid Ebay so that he can run his auctions as he'd like to run them.  Maybe either keep it local or to roll the dice and use a more seller friendly site like Bonanzle, Etsy or whoever else. And Jim C; I think you're missing the big picture.  Ebay is supposed to be just a venue to bring sellers and buyers together. But Enay has grown into a greedy, power hungry domineering nightmare who's making the selling experience miserable.  And the AG of Indiana doesn't want the control freak known as Ebay to run his auctions from A to Z.  This is a great article as the AG of Indiana mirrors the mindset of the majority of Ebay sellers who are completely sick of Ebay telling them how to run every phase of their business.  And if Indiana's appraisers aren't good enough for Ebay and if a money order isn't allowed; then the AG has enough pride and intelligience to stay clear of Ebay.  And what he loses in sales he'll save in Ebay/Paypal fees and bogus charge backs

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by: nadine

Mon Jul 19 02:07:16 2010

I think the AG should find a local Indiana auction house that will list the items on LiveAuctioneers or Artfact. That way they can use a local business, get the internet traffic, and have no hassle. Auctioneers always sell "as is, where is"

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by: Lynne

Mon Jul 19 08:31:06 2010

Finally someone with a little more pull is realizing and experiencing what is happening to 100,0000s of sellers......... Ebay is becoming a ghost town, the great buyers and sellers are moving on...............

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by: ebay seller

Mon Jul 19 09:14:08 2010

We all know what happened to coke when it switched it's formula and tried to be more like it's rival pepsi.I wonder when ebay stockholders are going to realize the emperor has no clothes.

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by: Scott

Mon Jul 19 10:59:59 2010

They should try GovDeals.com.

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by: LOL

Mon Jul 19 11:15:17 2010

Seems poor misunderstood ebay has troubles all over...

"Gmarket slammed for coercing sellers"
‚ÄéKorea Times

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by: Sayonara EBay

Mon Jul 19 21:41:47 2010

Ebay meets the real world finally. And the real world has gotten to know Ebay.  

Ebay can't operate outside of its engineered universe where the rules from the Gulag are enforced. The state can't deal with Paypal because of the consumer complaints.  And eBay actually tried to force them to use Paypal only?  Works for them.  

But in the real world there are entities that don't have to do whatever eBay wants and they can't rule with an iron fist.

I found it hilarious thinking that eBay was going to sift through the contents of abandoned safety deposit boxes that would contain documents, papers, and ''old teeth.''  Ewwwww.

To think that this is the management that despised the garage sale and the flea market part of the old eBay.  Now they're open to rummaging through old teeth to find something to sell.  Unbelievable!

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by: Joyful

Mon Jul 19 23:57:36 2010

The AG can use any Indiana auctioneer on AuctionZip, and bids from everywhere can be taken onsite.

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