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Tue July 8 2008 22:48:56

eBay Sellers Conning Disney Park Visitors

By: Ina Steiner

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The Orlando Sentinel newspaper published an article today that is very popular with AuctionBytes readers, as I've been getting emails containing a link to the article all day: "EBay sellers promise expired FastPasses are key to shorter Disney park lines."

Not sure if we have a lot of readers based in Florida, or who are Disney theme-park fans, or are trying to point out the cons taking place on eBay - but I suspect it has something to do with the latter. From the article:

Many of the sellers appear to be trying to sidestep potential trouble from eBay by promoting the FastPasses in their offers, but then stating in fine print that they are actually selling a plain envelope, or a Disney park map, or some other object of minute value, and are throwing in a few free FastPasses for the winning bidder.

England said such sleight of hand is pointless.

"These sellers think they are skirting an eBay policy when, in the case of expired tickets, no such policy applies," she said.




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by: Carol

Wed Jul 9 07:20:33 2008

According to the Sentinel article these Fastpasses sold on eBay are worthless and they have contacted eBay to complain. An eBay employee quoted in the article states:
"Since there are no laws prohibiting the sale of expired tickets, listings for expired tickets are allowed," eBay spokeswoman Catherine England said. "eBay does not enforce third-party contracts, so it's up to whoever issues the tickets [in this case, Disney] to enforce the terms and conditions they've defined for their tickets."

So eBay has been informed that these passes will not be honored but states they can't do anything about it because they are just a venue. eBay has knowledge that users purchasing these passes are being scammed.

Perfect example of how eBay continues to allow fraud to thrive on their website yet micromanages their sellers in the attempt to give the impression that on eBay a user will have a "safe buyer experience".

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by: Sue

Wed Jul 9 08:10:35 2008

I agree Carol.  That ''ebay is just a venue'' seems to come out whenver ebay has no answer.  But when blatant fraud is existing and they are told about it, they need to investigate and pull those listings.  (which most times they DO NOT!) Ebay buyers need to take some responsibilty here too.  If you buy it they will keep listing more.  Read the fine print and ask all questions.  If you do not get satisfactory answers from sellers then the answer is real simple: DO NOT BUY. If it sounds too good to be true...

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This user has validated their user name. by: Ina

Wed Jul 9 08:12:49 2008

Thank you, Carol, for highlighting the major point!

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by: Lorna

Wed Jul 9 09:44:39 2008

It's surprising that the Orlando Sentinel would FINALLY print something about this. Someone with some media pull must have gotten scammed! Selling expired Disney passes on Ebay is nothing new!! This has been going on for years on the Ebay site. It has repeatedly been mentioned on the Ebay boards. An "informed" buyer will ask questions and read all the fine print prior to purchasing. Since a lot of people don't take the time to really read the listing, the scamming seller will prevail. No amount of regulations can save these people from themselves.

Ebay......a sad sad state of affairs!!

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by: CONTINUED

Wed Jul 9 10:37:35 2008

Yeah, ebay is just a venue. Just a venue who is knee deep in counterfeiting. Telling buyers to send fake items to PAYPAL RETURNS, to be "DESTROYED" when in all actualality, it is being sent to a liquidator, who puts it right back on the market. They sell them in lots on liquidation.com, mainly to ebay sellers, who then split their lots up and resell on ebay. Liquidation.com is ebays largest wholsaler, whom they refer loads of sellers who buy wholesale.
Ebay/Paypal IS the one, who is keeping these fakes on the market. Pretty ballsy is you ask me after just being sued fro selling fakes.
Bet it stops now, doesn't it ebay? No more fakes for you to resell and make a killin on!

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by: tula

Wed Jul 9 11:40:19 2008

eBay stopped being "just a venue" the moment they started regulating what can and cannot be listed on the site.  Back in the early days of the internet, ISPs were sued because of some of the content their users posted, but as long as they could prove that they had no knowledge of it, they were not deemed responsible.  Basically, the rule of thumb was that they would do no independent policing of their sites, since once they started doing it in any small way (like scoping out porn web pages) then they were on the hook to police all of it, since they were no longer "just a venue".  I was involved with an ISP company back in the early 90's and this is how things worked back then.  Things may have changed somewhat, but I don't think eBay really has a leg to stand on with their claims of ignorance.

I don't get why they just don't invest in the people and software they need to monitor and eliminate fraud.  If they want to lure customers back, this is probably the single best thing they could do, rather than beating on the good sellers and making them jump through ever-smaller hoops.  Make it safe for both buyers and sellers and the problem will be solved.

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by: Peggy

Wed Jul 9 13:53:42 2008

I just did a search for fastpasses and when I found one, I used ''Report this item''. If more people did this, maybe ebay would take a position on expired tickets.  Just an idea...

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by: Rachael

Wed Jul 9 19:14:23 2008

Is the issue here the selling of expired tickets or that the description is misleading/deceptive?

I would think that there is a market for expired concert tickets etc as pieces of memorabilia and I can see why this is allowed on eBay.

However, if the listing description is misleading or deceptive then the seller should be brought to task on that point.

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by: Michelle

Wed Jul 9 19:50:19 2008

This is a prime example as to why ebay has become a ''negative'' in many, many people's eyes. There is also the current problem with the FREE Bon Jovi concert in New York's Central Park. People are selling the FREE tickets on ebay. ebay went in the wrong direction years ago, and continues on the same path. Amazing. Wonder how many lawsuits they need against them to get the picture? Oh wait, they are ''just the venue'' not the actual seller. Puleeeze.



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