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Sat June 21 2008 10:09:59

Disconnect at eBay as It Moves toward Amazonification

By: Ina Steiner

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There's a disconnect between what I'm hearing from eBay executives, and what I'm hearing from sellers and vendors, here at the eBay Live show. Booing during a keynote has happened before - when Bill Cobb mentioned the rollback of Stores in Search back in 2006. This year the booing was about the feedback changes eBay rolled out on May 12, 2008.

But I've never before seen sellers upset to the point they regularly erupted in loud disagreement to eBay presenters, as they did in the Feedback session yesterday. (Author and freelance writer Greg Holden, who is our AuctionBytes blogger this week, live-blogged the event.) There's also a YouTube video showing a man going ballistic at one of the sessions. 

The feedback changes rolled out one month ago, and a number of sellers have been talking about an increase in UPIs (non-paying buyers), and an attitude from buyers that they now have all the time in the world to pay for items. eBay's Stephanie Tilenius told me the UPI rate has not increased. That's surprising to hear, though it's still a bit early. 




Just like many sellers, vendors fear retribution from eBay, and of course, they don't want to scare off customers by being too negative. I've come to learn that larger vendors are realists, so they will either adapt or adjust their business models (BuySafe is rather a good example of this). It's not so clear whether small vendors will weather the changes.

Meanwhile, if I hadn't spoken with sellers and vendors, I'd have a very positive impression of eBay. The managers I've spoken with at DevCon and eBay Live seem focused and determined, and believe in the projects they are working on. I was very impressed with Jamie Iannone's belief in his vision of search (though I'm not sure eBay as a catalog is better than eBay the way it is now, though it may only be rolled out in certain categories where it makes sense). It's certainly a very different way of shopping - I believe the new concept may be similar to the Wigix site I wrote about.

As far as execs, I have a feeling they either don't get it, or get it and won't admit it. And what I mean by don't get it is that they don't recognize sellers' are upset to the point of leaving. The official spin on unrest is "change is hard," which is a big part of it, but the (sometimes nasty) desperation I'm seeing is from sellers who feel they don't have control of their businesses, don't know what eBay might throw at them next, and some of whom are pulling out their hair stuck between poor customer service from eBay and abusive buyers, others who fear encountering bad buyers and how it will affect their businesses.

During the keynote session, Lorrie Norrington spoke about cherishing small sellers like Denise from good-dog-jack, and relayed her experience of buying a pair of shoes on eBay and then selling them to a buyer in France. It would appear they still want those eBay-like experiences, but on an Amazon-like platform.

Where eBay Is Headed
It's no surprise to industry observers that eBay is moving toward a more Amazon-like system - and all the signs are here at the show. eBay is becoming a site in which listings are more generic and the site is more of a catalog than an eclectic bazaar, and in which the buyer has the most consistent experience with search and with Checkout, and of course, a system where eBay processes most of the transactions via PayPal.

Skype, one of the companies composing "the Power of Three" from a few years back, was not mentioned much, if at all. While it was listed as an exhibitor in a list I had printed out on June 2 from the eBay website (booth 950), it is not in the guide being handed out to attendees. I have yet to check the exhibit hall, but someone told me eBay cancelled Skype at the last minute.

The Town Hall meeting is set for 11 am, and I'm expecting a lively debate.

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by: Lisa

Wed Jun 25 07:35:58 2008

Misty's post has a sinister ring of truth to it, based on all of Ebay's recent actions. If this is indeed true, coming on the heels of Lorrie's pleas to give them a chance, than Ebay is nothing short of evil. They won't succeed, of course. Who cares? It's the sellers I'm worried about. This is no time to be playing games with people's lives.

Is this true Ebay???

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by: Brogans Antiques

Wed Jun 25 16:04:08 2008

Overheard at Ebay Live, before one of the PS presentations: Donahoe referring to Ebay users as "crazies".  Also had another Ebay staff member confirm that is the jargon used at corporate headquarters to describe Ebay users.

Overheard: Ebay personnel and Pay Pal personnel acknowledging that they didn't know the new head of T&S, and that he has no experience with that department - was the quality assurance manager who has no clue what the fraud issues are on the site.

Overheard: Ebay personnel admitting their resumes are circulating because working for the company is an exercise in frustration and incompetence.  This from 2 employees that have been there for over 6 years.

Overhead: Ebay personnel discussing the long term plans that Meg and Bill Cobb had established, that Donahoe is now carrying out.  Bill Cobb was known internally as the guy that "hated" sellers.

Overheard: An employee from Ebay SLC discussing the Voices participants as "stooges" that served Ebay's needs.  *overheard by about 15 people, several of whom participate in the Voices program*

Overheard: Ebay personnel at a restaurant where Community Board posters from bidding & misc fits were meteing discussing Donahoe's stated plans to leave Ebay after 18 months, because Donahoe wants to use Ebay as his entre into the field of "turn around" consultants.  Donahoe is set upon removing bidding auctions and making the site an Amazon/advertising model for dependable revenue and he believes the auction platform is dead.  

Ebay Live was great, if you wanted to hear confirmation of your worst fears.

RIP eBay.  

BTW, someone was handing out flyers encouraging Sellers to contact the FTC to file complaints about Ebay's activities including forcing Pay Pal on new sellers and then holding funds for unlimited amounts of time.  

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by: Norm

Wed Jun 25 23:53:47 2008

Well guess I'll check out "the real Amazon" God knows I've bought enough books from them!

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by: Brenda

Sat Jun 28 13:03:12 2008

I don't understand why Ebay doesn't see the danger of good, high volume sellers realising that they are beeter off without Ebay.

Very few things last forever.

And if the cry of cheap Chinese imports is true, it will only undermine the economy in the long run.

Mr.Donahoe's first degree was in economics, he should know better!

BUY AMERICAN!!! WE NEED THE JOBS!!!

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by: Lisa

Wed Jul 2 11:05:07 2008

amazon is bad scenario. You dont get enough shipping and buyers are allowed to lie and cheat and steal

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by: ebay che'

Sun Jul 20 15:22:41 2008

Thanks Ina, excellent balanced analysis. Ebay seems to be ''big boxing'' their concept and selling their brand name. As I believe you pointed out,ecommerce is ''fragmenting'' into heavily loaded specialty sites. Retailing did it long ago. 80% of ebay listings are basically Wallmart items-that's not what people are really looking for. If they required a ''country of orgin'' and ''date of manufacture'' on the top of every listing this would be clear. They're killing the Goose and will panic in the end (trying to restore their prestige-)but it will be too late and they'll join other arrogant ''bananna Republic'' companies that thought they were ''clever'' too-like Polaroid,AOL,Enron and,sorry,Skypes.  

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