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Wed Feb 26 2020 09:10:12

Etsy Unbundles Ads but Google Ads Mandatory for Some

By: Ina Steiner

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Note: This article was originally titled "Etsy Listens to Sellers by Unbundling Ad Programs."

Many sellers called Etsy's decision in August to merge Google Ads with its own Promoted Listing ads a costly disaster. Apparently they voted with their pocketbooks, because today, the company announced a new offering that sees the two programs unbundled.

Etsy explained in its announcement to sellers, "Now when you run an Etsy Ads campaign, your budget will only go toward advertising your listings to shoppers on Etsy. Google is now part of Offsite Ads, so we'll no longer use your Etsy Ads budget for Google Shopping."

In the summer, Etsy had pitched the merging of the two programs by explaining, "Sellers can now set one budget, and Etsy will leverage its data insights and marketing expertise to optimize how their dollars are spent across channels."

The problem, according to sellers, was not only a lack of control over where their budget was spent, but some sellers said the program ate up their budget too quickly with little or nothing to show for it in terms of sales.

It was easy to see why Etsy wanted to merge the programs - as we titled our headline in August, "Etsy Helps Sellers Pay for Google Ads to Draw Traffic to Its Marketplace."

But 5 months after launching the "new" Etsy Ads program, there was a sign the company was reconsidering the move. As we reported in the AuctionBytes Blog, Etsy surveyed sellers about the program in January.

One seller explained in a comment on the blog post that they used to spend anywhere from 50 cents to $10/day on Etsy Promoted Listings, with a return of about $600 - $800 per week. After Etsy merged Promoted Listings and Google Ads: "Now it’s a $1.00 per bid and I have sold very little."

Today, Etsy said it will pay for Google Ads through the new Offsite Ads programs, and sellers will only pay if the ad results in a sale.

While the program is optional for many sellers, it's mandatory for some. Etsy explained:

"If you've made more than $10,000 USD in sales on Etsy in a 12-month period you'll benefit most from Offsite Ads. So, you'll be required to participate for the lifetime of your shop and you'll get a discounted advertising fee."

You can find more information on the Etsy Announcement board. As you go through the details, let us know how the changes will impact your Shop.

Update 2/26/2020: The devil is in the details - the cost of Offsite Ads is 15%. Here's an excerpt of an email Etsy sent to a reader (thanks for sharing!):

"Here's how it works: Our offsite advertising service promotes your items on Google, Facebook, Instagram, Pinterest, and Bing. When a shopper clicks on an online ad featuring one of your listings and purchases from your shop within 30 days, you'll pay a 15% advertising fee on that order. You'll only pay an advertising fee when you make a sale. Plus: Our experienced team of advertising experts manage and optimize everything for you, so you can focus on the other parts of your business. 

"When this service launches in a few weeks, you'll be automatically enrolled and you'll see exactly how many sales you're getting from Offsite Ads on your new dashboard. You'll start being charged later in April, but if you don't want this additional traffic to your shop you can turn off Offsite Ads at that time."

Update 2/26/2020: Another reader forwarded the letter they received - the seller is required to participate in the Offsite Ad program and will pay 12% instead of 15% for resulting sales. Here's an excerpt of Etsy's letter:

"Here's how it works: Offsite Ads advertises your items on Google, Facebook, Instagram, Pinterest, and Bing. When a shopper clicks on an online ad featuring one of your listings and purchases from your shop within 30 days, you'll pay an advertising fee on that order. You'll only pay an advertising fee when you make a sale. Plus: Our experienced team of advertising experts manage and optimize everything for you, so you can focus on the other parts of your business.

"Your shop is a success story - you made more than $10,000 USD in sales in the past 12 months. That means you'll benefit most from this advertising service, so you'll be required to participate. You'll also get a discounted rate of 12% for the lifetime of your shop, while most sellers will pay a 15% fee. 
 
"This update shouldn't have a big effect on your bottom line. Based on your sales this year, we estimate that this fee will apply to less than 5% of your sales.

"You'll be able to see exactly how many sales you're getting from Offsite Ads on your new dashboard, which will be available in a few weeks, and you'll start being charged later in April."

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by: SammyCat This user has validated their user name.

Sun Mar 1 21:31:47 2020

I just sold something for $545 including shipping.  IF this were under the new BS extortion plan, the fees would be $103.55 = $441.45 versus $498.75 at 8.5%

Its a larger item and I have to add insurance and tracking, its going from E coast to W coast and will cost $52.00 to ship with all the add-ons.  

$441.55 less shipping =  $389.55 on a $545.00 sale
$498.75 less shipping = $446.75

The scam is costing me an extra $57.20

This is bullshit and explains why the share price went up ... they all got a heads-up about this before we did.  

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by: SammyCat This user has validated their user name.

Sun Mar 1 21:57:31 2020


Vintage cheater Etsywww.etsy.com › market › vintage_cheater
Check out our vintage cheater selection for the very best in unique or custom, handmade pieces from our shops.

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by: SammyCat This user has validated their user name.

Sun Mar 1 22:05:59 2020

You can tell I am beside myself with this crap:


Nose picker Etsywww.etsy.com › market › nose_picker
Check out our nose picker selection for the very best in unique or custom, ... Unique Vintage Retro Snot Nose, nose picker printed Cotton Summer Tee Shirts, ...

Vintage nose picking Etsywww.etsy.com › search › vintage › q=nose+picking
Check out our nose picking selection for the very best in unique or custom, handmade pieces from our shops.

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This user has validated their user name. by: Life During Wartime

Mon Mar 2 00:57:08 2020

What does anything ''vintage'' have to do with ''unique'' or ''custom'' or ''handmade''?  If I didn't know what Etsy was all about, and saw that link description while searching for something Vintage, I would ignore it.  And keep searching elsewhere.

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by: SammyCat This user has validated their user name.

Mon Mar 2 08:03:19 2020

vintage = unique

and, you're missing my point @Life - the point is that someone they've done on google what they could never do on the site

They're doing something to google search - there is no way in hell that suddenly they're #1 on page #1 for all kinds of nonsense and legit stuff.  

I just tried garden hose -- yielded the expected results

The minute I put vintage garden hose -- Etsy is #1 with garden hose and antique garden hose

My God ... even vintage nose picker had them #1  

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This user has validated their user name. by: Life During Wartime

Mon Mar 2 09:02:27 2020

Almost all vintage (stuff less than 100 years old) = mass produced.  Only in the Etsyverse do products made in factories become ''unique''.  Unmarked Roseville Future pieces may be a challenge to find, but they aren't ''unique''.  All of them were listed in the company's print catalog of the time, as part of a manufactured line.

I tested that weird thing going on with Google search, and it's amusing.  I looked for ''vintage replica (some luxury brand name)'' and it substituted ''fake'' for ''replica'', and then showed me a handful of results at Etsy that had NOTHING to do with being fake or associated with the specified brand.  And only some of the items were ''vintage''. But that's been the case on Etsy for a few years now, where so many contemporary products are just listed as being Vintage, but aren't.

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by: Flying Childers This user has validated their user name.

Mon Mar 2 10:29:04 2020

Great comments, very perceptive.  

I read the hundreds of comments on the forums about this outrageous thievery and it seems like 99% of the sellers understand that this is just another ripoff that will destroy any remaining profitability we may have after the last rounds of Etsy muggings.

Once the new fees go into effect and people see that they are now giving the Etsy thugs more than 25% of each sale, I predict that many if not most of them will have no choice but to start moving to another platform or website.

I am not a big seller but I can really use the money I make selling my collectibles and handmade work as I've been doing for the past 7 years.  I cannot afford to give Etsy 25% of my gross sales for basically doing nothing except listing my items on their platform.

Etsy owns NOTHING.  It is the SELLERS who provide the merchandise, storage, labor, shipping and handling, postage, etc.  WE bear ALL the risks and all the costs while they sit back on their corporate asses and collect ALL THE PROFIT.

I thought that corporate criminals like Bernie Madoff went to prison for much less.  

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by: SammyCat This user has validated their user name.

Mon Mar 2 13:14:17 2020

The bottom line is that they will abuse us ... rip us off as long as we let them.  They could care less about us, our feelings or our business. As long as they're making money and keeping investors happy - anything goes.

one has to wonder what the next money grabbing scam will be because this isn't the end.

too many people comply and don't understand what they're doing or the precedent they're setting for us all.  

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by: pennyemporium This user has validated their user name.

Mon Mar 2 13:48:39 2020

@SammyCat, i think you are on to something!

google searched ''vintage adulterer'' and sure enough, there's a link to etsy.  
https://www.etsy.com/listing/633599460/adulterer-infidelity-
daughter-choosing

'vintage
dog poop' search returns an etsy link in the top google slot!

this is all super, super weird!

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by: SammyCat This user has validated their user name.

Mon Mar 2 15:42:29 2020

@pennyemporium it is bizarre and something very wrong is going on here, very wrong.   How is it possible that whatever term you use, right up to the most ridiculous like vintage nose picker shows etsy at the top of google!!!  

This is a big deal they can't possibly pay enough to show #1 and certainy wouldn't pay for stupid terms.

So, what in the hell is going on!?

This also assures them that any and all google searches will yield etsy results which means that absolutely everything that sells they will claim comes from them

Big bloody deal

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by: pennyemporium This user has validated their user name.

Mon Mar 2 16:02:21 2020

@SammyCat; this, exactly!

''This (google search manipulation) also assures them that any and all google searches will yield etsy results which means that absolutely everything that sells they will claim comes from them.''

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by: SammyCat This user has validated their user name.

Mon Mar 2 17:23:58 2020

Interesting article here and may be what Etsy is doing - tricking the search engines:

https://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/abblog/blog.pl?/comme
nts/2020/3/1583172327.html/4/60#1583176157

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by: FIVEPERCENT This user has validated their user name.

Tue Mar 10 10:20:20 2020

@SammyCat and @pennyemporium

I agree.  Etsy will (or has) found a way to claim each and every sale we make in order to get their grubby little mits on our 12%s.  I feel sickened by their brazen greed and am currently re-evaluating my Etsy shop, plus other off-site options.  After 10+ years on Etsy, I never thought they would stoop this low, but this will not be the last of it.

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