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Thu June 21 2018 10:39:48

Small Sellers Hit Hard by Supreme Court Sales Tax Ruling

By: Ina Steiner

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Online sellers may have to change their practices around collecting online sales tax after the Supreme Court ruled in a key online sales tax case. Unless Congress acts, that is - lawmakers have avoided enacting legislation to address the issue until this point.

The High Court ruled this morning: "Because the physical presence rule of Quill is unsound and incorrect, Quill Corp. v. North Dakota, 504 U. S. 298, and National Bellas Hess, Inc. v. Department of Revenue of Ill., 386 U. S. 753, are overruled."

Supreme Court Justice Kennedy delivered the opinion of the Court, in which Thomas, Ginsburg, Alito, and Gorsuch joined. Justices Thomas and Gorsuch filed concurring opinions. 

Justice Roberts filed a dissenting opinion in which Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan joined.

You can see the filings on the Supreme Court website.

The Supreme Court heard South Dakota v. Wayfair on April 17, and right out of the gate, the crux of the argument became apparent. Should states expect retailers with no presence to collect a tax that residents of those states are obligated to pay? As we wrote in April in reporting the arguments made before the Court: 

"When South Dakota Attorney General Marty J. Jackley said the state's small businesses on Main Street are being harmed because of the unlevel playing field created by Quill, where out-of-state remote sellers are given a price advantage, Justice Sotomayor challenged that premise.

""Isn't the problem not Quill but the fact that you don't have a mechanism to collect from consumers," she asked. "It's not the merchants who are playing - paying the sales tax; it's the consumer. They're collecting it for you. So find a way to collect from them.""

Other Justices were not as outspoken, and some indicated it was a matter for Congress, not the High Court.

In 1992, the High Court weighed in in a case called Quill vs. North Dakota, ruling that state tax agencies could not force merchants with no physical presence in their states to calculate, collect, and remit sales tax on transactions made to their residents.

In South Dakota v. Wayfair, the question the High Court considered was this: "Should this Court abrogate Quill's sales-tax-only, physical-presence requirement?"

One argument used by those in favor of overturning Quill is that the retail world is very different today from 1992 and that it's an antiquated ruling - some Justices bought that argument

States have become emboldened to defy Quill or devise other ways to try and get the use tax owned to them by their residents for their online purchases from out-of-state retailers.

For example: the "Marketplace Facilitators" laws that require marketplaces like Amazon and Etsy to collect and remit sales tax on third-party transactions. Many small sellers favor this approach since it takes them out of the equation, leaving the administrative tasks to the marketplaces on which they sell. However, for sellers who also sell on their own websites, it's not clear all ecommerce-hosting companies would help them fulfill their possible obligations.

Some proponents of overturning Quill include major retail trade organizations such as the National Retail Federation and Retail Industry Leaders Association. Some opponents of overturning Quill include the National Auctioneers Association and NetChoice, a trade organization backed by online retailers and marketplaces.

Even some of those in favor of overturning Quill seek Congressional action. In January, the National Retail Federation had said it welcomed the Supreme Court's decision to hear the South Dakota case "but also urged Congress to address the issue through federal legislation."

Watch for lots of news and analysis about today's decision, which may have major implications for online sellers - particularly smaller sellers.

Update 6/21/18: The Supreme Court referred to "substantial nexus" rather than Quill's "physical nexus"; eBay takes this to mean small sellers are protected. In a blog post, it urged Congress to act to add a small-business exemption, as we report in this article.

Update 6/23/18: See "Supreme Court Throws Out Longstanding Sales Tax Rule-Book" (link to article)

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by: ebayout This user has validated their user name.

Sat Jun 23 12:37:29 2018

@marie
PP neither collects or distributes taxes.
Let that sink in.

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by: TomH This user has validated their user name.

Sat Jun 23 12:37:55 2018

If it comes to eBay collecting and paying the sales taxes on the behalf of the sellers, it will be as a service to its independent sellers.

If the above comes to be true, then of course there will be a fee for the service provided by eBay. You can pretty well bet on that.  

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by: ebayout This user has validated their user name.

Sat Jun 23 13:03:55 2018

You just know ebay will count any and all taxes collected as part of their "sales"
Hello...Arthur Andersen?

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This user has validated their user name. by: Rexford

Sat Jun 23 13:04:09 2018

I would be hard pressed to think that any marketplace would be allowed to charge a fee to someone for collecting tax.  If I got to a local market, in my state, and they placed a fee on me for collecting the tax on the sale, there would be a public outcry.

We will see where this goes, but collecting a fee from someone for collecting tax on a sale-- that doesn't even sound right.

Our Supreme Court is trending ultra conservative and if Ginsberg were to pass or if any of the conservative judges retire, it will only get worse. I for one blame the Republican party for not allowing Obama to appoint the Justice that he should have been able to appoint.

If you are ticked off by this start voting for your best interests instead of voting on social issues.

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by: TomH This user has validated their user name.

Sat Jun 23 15:13:48 2018

As a legal seller in my state (Georgia) I collect and remit to the state, sales taxes for items sold in Georgia.

Georgia, and as far as I know, other states also, allows me and all other collecting entities to keep a small portion of the sales taxes I collect and pass on to the Department of Revenue as compensation for the expenses incurred in doing so.

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by: Marie This user has validated their user name.

Sat Jun 23 15:56:24 2018

@ebayout

Very true but they do charge a fee for receiving / processing a payment that included sales tax.

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by: Marie This user has validated their user name.

Sat Jun 23 15:59:41 2018

We often talk about the greed of Amazon and recently the greed of Etsy too.  Both those sites collect sales tax from the customers and do not charge the sellers anything for the service.  

Maybe Ebay will and maybe they won't.  We are all just guessing right now.  They may follow the example of other sites or they may not.  Until Ebay implements the collection of SS for all appropriate states, we just won't know what they will actually do.  

We may have strong opinions, but they are opinions not facts.

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by: Marie This user has validated their user name.

Sat Jun 23 16:03:55 2018

The state I live in, I too collect sales tax for all sales I ship to someone in my state.  When I report my sales to the state, the largest portion of the sales tax stays with the state [dept of revenue] and a small portion goes to the city in which I live.  I keep nothing, it all goes to the state and they disburse what is appropriate to the city I live in.

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by: Barbbie This user has validated their user name.

Sat Jun 23 18:38:05 2018

"Georgia, and as far as I know, other states also, allows me and all other collecting entities to keep a small portion of the sales taxes I collect and pass on to the Department of Revenue as compensation for the expenses incurred in doing so. "

LOL my state used to give me a discount of an entire penny!  They took it away when the new gov. decided he had to spend it on new social programs, now we can't pay our state bills as he spent everything we had and then some.

I just don't have the time to devote to collecting and paying taxes in 10K jurisdictions, I work all day and all night as it is and It is just not worth it to me to do work that is not providing anything to or for me. It takes me anywhere from 1 to 2 days to get my own state taxes done each month depending on sales and that is mostly because I can remember a lot of the areas, it used to take 2 or 3 days and that is to pay them always under 100 usually under 20.  I just cannot imagine being able to afford to put everything aside for literally the rest of my life to figure out a months taxes on 10K tax areas.
They would sue me before I was done.

And then,, what of the limit or whatever. I sell cheap items, I can make 200 sales in a state easy. What if the 200th sale comes in Dec? Then I have to pay tax for all the other customers before that that I did not collect from?

I do not mind so much paying the normal FVF if it means I do not have to do my own states sometimes. I would guess that if allowed to collect FVF on shipping then this would not be different.

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by: Barbbie This user has validated their user name.

Sat Jun 23 19:38:23 2018

As for China, so we all get to pay higher shipping so they can undercut us on every sale and now they get to get away with not paying any taxes too.




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by: ebayout This user has validated their user name.

Sat Jun 23 20:09:46 2018

Seems a foregone conclusion to have a National Internet Sales Tax. Sales Processor gives it to the states and let them divy it up.
They might miss 10/20% if the tax is like 7%, but it's at least 80% more than they were getting.

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This user has validated their user name. by: RKTOYS

Sat Jun 23 23:28:55 2018

@rexford
Actually, any CC processor out there, and specifically Square in my experience does charge a fee for collecting taxes.  They add 6% to the charge and charge their 3% on that 6% larger amount.  They can weasel around it (its not the fall that kills you but the sudden stop) but they're still doing it.

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by: RLS This user has validated their user name.

Sun Jun 24 18:59:28 2018

I believe it is limited to those sellers who do $100,000.00 or 200 transactions in a single state. The way my sales have been trending on ebay this willnot be a problem

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by: Mongoose This user has validated their user name.

Sun Jun 24 22:47:28 2018

RLS, that limit is for SD only. Others states can set their own limit, or as NY has discussed, having no limit at all.

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by: Chicago48 This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jun 25 00:08:29 2018

Don't hold your breath with Congress.  And 45 just praised the tax decision, so he's not our friend.

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by: ConnecticutGal This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jun 25 00:37:55 2018

It might be limited to $100000 in sales or 200 items sold but small sellers most likely will not know till the end of each years whether or not they've hit those thresholds.  Which means that taxes must be collected and remitted throughout the year regardless.  I read that the implementation of this ruling will being in 2 months or so yet, in reading through the comments here and responses to articles in newspapers since last Thursday, clearly, there is no clear understanding of what it might mean to the sellers or venues like Ebay.  I guess the other aprehension is that Ebay or other venues institute a new "system" for collection of taxes and it will not be in keeping with this government's interpretation.  I'd be fine with an internet sales tax if it was a flat rate tax no matter where you ship.  The buyers would know this as would I.

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by: donald This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jun 25 00:47:09 2018



I believe this will hurt buyers just as much as small sellers.  One of the reason I shop online is to save money. I'll be thinking twice if I have to pay sales tax.

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by: Eagle This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jun 25 00:52:15 2018

@ sasikat9;  That was a question I posted on USA Today story. How will you know if you will do 200 transactions or $100G in sales with people from said state? Basically we will have to collect the sales tax starting at first of year and won't be able to determine the above guidelines until end of year. Law states you will be REQUIRED to pay the sales tax to said state IF YOU DO or surpass the 200/$100G threshold. If you don't meet or exceed the 200/$100G then you're theoretically not required to forward the collected sales tax. What do you do with the collected sales tax under the threshold? Keep it? (grin)

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by: Moonwishes This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jun 25 01:25:48 2018

It is in the best interests of the states to give small sellers a complete pass, as otherwise they will find that they are paying out more in social welfare funds for the small sellers that are not lazy and are working to support themselves, because for many it is a last ditch effort available to them as a way to earn money. You tax these folks into oblivion, they will see them again applying for welfare, food stamps and Medicaid. There are two reasons that we sell on line. 1. it is my occupational therapy that makes me get out of bed daily if If I'm not feeling well and 2. Finding myself on disabllity in the peak of my earning years, means my SS check isn't nearly what it would have been if I had worked until I was 65, so selling online suppliments that check so that we can afford our food, utiltiy bills, etc.

I've had no problem dealing with our state sales taxes and if I pay them early, then we get a small discount that we get to keep. Not much at all, but could be. If I was sending 200 orders to each state and they gave me the software to figure it out, I would be happy to deal with the sales taxes, but I don't want to have to deal with states that so far this year I haven't sent a single order to or like SD I have sent 1 order in the last six months. I don't want states coming back and saying that I forgot to pay taxes when I had no sales.

I don't think most of the states have actually thought through the expense that this will cause them. They only see dollar signs in front of their eyes at the money they THINK they will collect. How much will all the new state tax employees, with state benefits in their pay checks, cost to hire to handle these new taxes and the cost of IT to set up new programs, and then when go old SD has the first day when taxes are due, if other sellers have as much business there as I do, they get $500 total for sales taxes due collected by internet sellers, the folks that made this law and going to be tarred and feathered and run out of the state. Okay maybe they will collect more than $500, but some of these states where their residents don't order much online it might not look pretty when they find out just how much they take in, it won't pay for the infrastructure for collecting these extra taxes!

When people or states get greedy, the forget to think about the whole cost involved. They just see dollar signs.$$$$$$$

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by: Moonwishes This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jun 25 01:31:36 2018

Wonder where they came up with the 200 orders/$100,000 amount from? Do they really think that the average order is $500? Boy, don't I wish. The state that I send the most to is CA and that is about 100 orders per year and I don't have to look at my sales numbers to know that I am nowhere near $100,000 in sales dollars amount!

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