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Mon Aug 11 2014 15:01:03

eBay Helps Chinese Sellers Flood Site with Fake Old Things

By: Ina Steiner

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The term "new vintage" grates on the nerves of collectors and sellers, and not just because it's an oxymoron. Items that are manufactured to look like vintage goods makes it more difficult to sell the "real thing." And it's a major problem online, especially on online marketplaces.

So it came as a big surprise to read in the Atlantic that eBay was in effect helping Chinese manufacturers flood its marketplace with fake old things. Adrienne LaFrance, Senior Associate Editor at The Atlantic, said eBay Marketplaces President Devin Wenig told her that eBay sends manufacturers data about what people are searching for on eBay so they can quickly manufacture items to meet those needs.

Wenig told her eBay is helping fuel China's export business, and said, "It's really remarkable to see how quickly the manufacturing base adapts to the demand signals they get."
 
LaFrance went on to write:

In other words, that red wool-blend Cross Colours hat on eBay might not be the relic from 1989 it appears to be, but instead a newly manufactured replica. (It is, of course, against eBay's policy to sell counterfeit items.) Yes, there's a huge and thriving "new vintage" manufacturing sector built around - and tailored to - your online searches. It's why, for instance, you can find something like an original 1960s-era Pan Am tote bag, and its new "vintage style" counterpart.

You can read the article: "Why Ebay Tells Manufacturers in China What You're Searching For - A look into the nostalgia machine powered by big data" on the Atlantic website.

Let us know what you think of eBay "feeding the machine."



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This user has validated their user name. by: Basset

Mon Aug 11 16:10:18 2014

Is Devin Wenig's middle name ''VERO''?


Right after I read this article on the fakes on eBay the other day I came across the article on the US Patent office in Poor Richards News.

http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/93968659743/patent-offic
e-workers-paid-to-exercise-do-laundry


I
guess there is a lot of down time when you automatically approve patents for ANYTHING submitted.
Bonuses awarded, too, along with the full pay. All funded by the US taxpayers.

I want to be a paralegal in the U.S. Patent Office.

This is one way to earn a decent income selling on eBay - just list items while employed by the US Patent Office and the taxpayers will pay your salary whether you sell anything or not. Win-win.


So, how can we apply?

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by: NetWatch This user has validated their user name.
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Mon Aug 11 16:19:12 2014

Isn't there some kind of Federal law against this? Oh wait. I forgot. Ebay ignores the law.

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by: Orwellwasright This user has validated their user name.

Mon Aug 11 16:21:14 2014


All of this is old news

 Like locusts the Chinese go from one collector’s venue to the next flooding and destroying markets with mass produced  fakes., It started  with  the Chinese first mass producing fake relics from their own history and at first getting extremely high prices for the frauds.. However , once the word starting getting out, they moved on. They have no respect for American copyright or trademark law and brazenly copy and dump just about everything  you can think of.

Many collectors markets have been destroyed and owners of material have lost countless amounts of money to markets inundated with fakes. Take Civil war memorabilia for example. So many fake rifles . medals. Etc Have poured in from Asia , collectors just gave it up, mass produced factory perfect fakes, destroy markets

Why ebay consigns Australia, Uk etc to their Own sites , but allow Chinese sellers free reign on the USA site tells you all you need to know . The HUGE volume fake dumping produces combined with the fact the there is no vero issue with vintage material proved too tempting  an apple for the Snakes

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by: BargainzBabylon This user has validated their user name.

Mon Aug 11 20:04:40 2014

I had no idea that China's export business needed any fuel - if anything, it needs a throttle.  

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by: pace306 This user has validated their user name.

Mon Aug 11 22:52:40 2014

Ive only said it 1000000000000000 times - eBay makes the mafia look like choir school boys.

This is OUTRIGHT copyright and trademark theft - in every possible definition of the words and laws.

That's why I and others have said FOR YEARS, that VERO is a FAKE, sham front for eBay's crimes.

Try it for yourself. TRY reporting a fake Beats headphone and watch how it DOESN'T get removed. Yet in situations like this eBay helps create the very fake items that it allows to be sold on site.

VERO lies all the time. They hide like little girls and wont answer phones, you cant reach them by email directly, they openly claim they DON'T know US trade laws and yet .... they can accuse you, allow accusations on your seller account of almost ANY crime that's related to ecommerce.

eBay allowed and encouraged VERO to remove sellers of Skullcandy items so that then and ONLY THEN would Skullcandy shell out big bucks for a premium store on eBay.

I know of 6 other sellers who were accused of selling fakes and each one had legitimate invoices from dealers and distributors. I had to threaten a law suit to get both companies to back down.

Denon and Casio have eBay in their pocket too. Both companies use VERO (via verowatch.com) to remove sellers who list items on eBay USA and sell them worldwide.

Sony accomplishes it via Net Enforcers and lets verowatch.com pull the strings.

The list goes on and on and on - Ina doesn't have enough space to list all of eBay's theft(s).

eBay admits it doesn't know the laws but because those 2 manufacturers say so - that's good enough for them.

BUT if you use Global Shipping instead ... magically its ok. Without Global shipping - ie you ship yourself - eBay only gets FVFs off the shipping costs, this way they get 1) a slice from Pitney Bowes, 2) FVFs on the shipping and 3) they get to over charge on the shipping and keep the difference 4) lie about what carriers they use after it reaches Kentucky (they claim UPS and Fed EX when most times it goes standard post (ie the recipients countries postal system) eBay pockets the difference there too AND 5) keep taxes and duties that are charged to buyers when some countries dont even have any.

eBay is the most corrupt ecommerce company on the planet, the sheer amount of active theft that goes on - the scale can not be believed by most people.

Of course eBay helps the Chinese - its like what they did when they helped subsidize their shipping with their USPS deal.

You cant steal from the Chinese sellers, but eBay sure can steal from US sellers.

JD & CO deserve to be led away in handcuffs. Counterfeiting and piracy arent their only crimes.

US courts have already ruled that you can NOT use a "shrink wrap license" to void or remove a users rights.

Saying that agreeing to use eBay means that the TOS/UA can say ANYTHING it wants is false. It cant remove rights that arent its to give - ie class action suits etc.

The littany of crimes is so long - just a discourse of eBay fraud could take YEARS to prosecute.

eBay facilitates fraud by using Cassini to defraud certain sellers. If eBAy (in their own words) deems your listing NOT DESERVING, it can refuse to show your listing - whether you payed for it or not. THAT is fraud.

Im not surprised at this article - I know eBay is crooked, I know they are liars and cheats.

It just seems that most law enforcement people ... dont.

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This user has validated their user name. by: Ric

Tue Aug 12 00:04:40 2014

The intellectually challenged management sees no problem with this fakery, yet they wonder why buyers have lost confidence in eBay and sales are flat.

If management actually bought and sold on eBay, they would realize that their efforts promoting "new vintage" scores huge defects with buyers.

In their sheer desperation to sell anything - at any price to appease Wall Street, management scratches their heads over their failure to show sales growth consistent with the rest of the eCommerce industry.

Management is apparent unable or unwilling to comprehend that it is their efforts to encourage "new vintage" which are decimating buyer confidence and subverting growth.

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This user has validated their user name. by: Rexford

Tue Aug 12 06:34:55 2014

But if anyone takes them to court they will scream BUT WE ARE JUST A VENUE!!!!

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by: Watching the Wheels This user has validated their user name.

Tue Aug 12 08:21:00 2014

It's much more effective if you tackle the Asians, directly.

I had a picture stolen from flickr a few year back, and it was on blogs all over the place. They all lead back to a florist in Singapore.

The American websites offered no real help, which only made me madder. I went after the florist myself. I joined all the blogs, announced the picture was stolen, then sent an email to the florist. Each blog entry and email got ratcheted up a notch, as I thanked them for the compliments on my work, and stating that I understood why they stole from me. Any obnoxious evil thing I could think of.

It took about a month, but everything got taken down.

Venue's income is commissions. They are NOT going to care much where the FVF's come from.

Anyhow, reproductions of vintage items are always ''off'' somehow. If vigilant, you can spot the fakes, and help educate the public.

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by: beverly This user has validated their user name.

Tue Aug 12 09:20:51 2014

under antique and vintage jewelry listings, there are always new reproductions from china and USA sellers

I have reported and reported these sellers, but Ebay does nothing about

as a buyer, when there are pages and pages of these reproductions.

after 3-4 pages of reproductions, I stop searching and give up

I am buying less and less on Ebay because of new vintage

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by: cmabresch This user has validated their user name.
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Tue Aug 12 12:20:03 2014

I contacted ebay about this weeks ago, I said to them it is impossible to to have a description of new and a title using the word Vintage in it. ANYONE that shops as a buyer defines vintage as an age......but not with ebay, ebay defines vintage as a adjective or a  
look. Total crap

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This user has validated their user name. by: Rexford

Tue Aug 12 13:12:04 2014

"President Devin Wenig told her that eBay sends manufacturers data about what people are searching for on eBay so they can quickly manufacture items to meet those needs."

And there you have it. It comes from within the bowels of eBay.  (And the word bowels is so fitting.)

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by: brokentoys19 This user has validated their user name.

Tue Aug 12 20:37:42 2014

It's not going unnoticed.
cnbc stops short of calling it crime.

"Be careful what you search for"
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000301253

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This user has validated their user name. by: Basset

Tue Aug 12 21:29:23 2014

''new vintage'' - reminds me of people my age with ''new'' knees, hips, facial surfaces, etc...

Shoot - for all I know, those parts may come from China, too!  

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by: Tiffee Jasso This user has validated their user name.

Wed Aug 13 01:46:13 2014

I just saw some vintage looking Knights Templar medals from China tonight and so the Chinese are even copying Masonic medals and are selling them on Ebay. Nothing is sacred when it comes down to the mass production market and money.  

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This user has validated their user name. by: Rexford

Wed Aug 13 06:20:06 2014

"cnbc stops short of calling it crime"

CNBC need to dig a little deeper. Tip of the iceberg.

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This user has validated their user name. by: LDS Brother

Wed Aug 13 07:41:56 2014

What else would you expect from

John Don a Ho Chi Min ??

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This user has validated their user name. by: baconsdozen
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Wed Aug 13 09:17:00 2014

I dont see why we should be suprised that ebay lets Chinese sellers sell old junk. After all they've been letting them sell new junk for years. I'm reversing the trend and now selling vey high quality tools "Made in England" not on ebay though,I wouldn't trust them to run a bath let alone a company.

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by: fashionista This user has validated their user name.

Wed Aug 13 10:38:25 2014

cnbc is a wuss, they should do some investigating, they spend so much time on apple, and what the phone is going to look like, than real stories. They should have a panel of sellers.  JD needs to be taken to task. They were very harsh on Target when they breach, I have seen nothing similar with JD

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This user has validated their user name. by: Don Wagner

Wed Aug 13 11:28:12 2014

I sold some very scarce medals on eBay and all of the lots went to a buyer in China - over $1,500 worth. About 4 months later I listed a few more that I had overlooked, and I immediately get an email from an Ebayer ''These are fake - look at all the other listings on eBay'' and sure enough, there were now many listings for these ''Rare'' medals, all coming out of China, selling for about $6 each.

Lesson learned - many collectible hobbies are collapsing due to the flood of Chinese fakes. I am selling my lifetime collections while the prices are still good - have been in the process for about 6 months now.

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by: Donkey This user has validated their user name.

Wed Aug 13 16:07:35 2014

This should be illegal.
It is definitely unethical.

The chinese fakes have destroyed the coins and stamps category so much that I will no longer buy there.

It is the chinese sellers/fakers that buyers need protection from- not the US sellers. US sellers are the ones that ebay punishes with unreasonable exceptions.
These chinese sellers/fakers are now expanding into other collectibles and hurting honest US sellers.

I am going to start searching for ''BAN CHINESE FAKES'' everyday so it may show up in the search results.  
Other sellers/buyers should start doing this too and have it as a saved search.


 

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