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Mon Jan 9 2017 10:15:35

Would Removing Job Security Improve the USPS?

By: Ina Steiner
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A lawmaker wants to remove job security for Federal employees, including postal workers. A key provision of Congressperson Todd Rokita's Promote Accountability and Government Efficiency (PAGE) Act would change the law regarding employees in the civil service so that they would be hired on an at-will basis, according to Postal News.

"Such an employee may be removed or suspended, without notice or right to appeal, from service by the head of the agency at which such employee is employed for good cause, bad cause, or no cause at all."

Interestingly, "Mail Carrier" is already the most endangered job in the country according to a Careercast.com survey that analyzed US Department of Labor Statistics, the Herald Bulletin reported this week.

You may or may not agree with the benefits civil servants have, including their right to unionize. But does the PAGE Act swing too far in the other direction? Can you attract good workers and provide them with an incentive to work hard if they have no confidence in their short-term prospects? What benefits might outweigh any downsides?

Given the importance of the USPS to ecommerce, especially small sellers, it's a question worth considering.

UpdateFedSmith has more on the PAGE Act and what to expect.
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by: Casmige This user has validated their user name.
       
Wed Jan 11 10:57:03 2017
Ms. Steiner?

I'd like to see thumbs up/Thumbs down feature on your comments sections please.

The feature would also need to respectfully winnow the comments through a natural selection of the Thumbs-Up or Thumbs-Down ratios.

Also sorting selected via down-drop menu for "By Relevance", by "New Comments" or By "Most Popular".

Just a respectful suggestion, please.
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by: donald This user has validated their user name.
       
Wed Jan 11 11:42:55 2017



I'm for it and I hope it includes State employees too ..
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by: epuise This user has validated their user name.
       
Wed Jan 11 12:59:44 2017
When FEDERATED took over Macys, etc. and made certain the JOB SECURITY of a UNION MEMBERSHIP died a slow death... there was NO IMPROVEMENT to ANYTHING other than PROFIT... "slaves" stopped caring... they called in sick, they stopped showing up, they hid in back rooms to avoid helping customers, and, some resorted to theft... it was just another MINIMUM WAGE JOB that did not COVER even rent for a 40 hour week... you got NO RAISES... NO breaks... NO health insurance... NO pension if you couldn't STAND for 8+ hours a day... there was NO REASON to give a damn anymore... get fired from Macys ? Go to Burger King and get the same crummy wage... Do you want YOUR ORDER handled by somebody who no longer gives a sheet ?
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by: FlyWel This user has validated their user name.
       
Wed Jan 11 13:28:21 2017
Does the Senator also propose term limits and salary/benefit cuts for himself and his cronies?

Would that help the efficiency of the Senate and Congress?
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by: mindelec This user has validated their user name.
       
Wed Jan 11 21:14:32 2017
@epuise

It''s hard to give a shit when you aren't paid enough to live on.
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by: Barbbie This user has validated their user name.
       
Wed Jan 11 23:41:43 2017
Postal workers make a great deal more money and benefits than at burger king or Macy's so I do not get the comparison. They also make a lot more than I do. Nobody is giving me a pension, I worked a professional job for 25 years until I got laid off when they moved out of state. I have a 401K mostly contributed to by me.  

I like my local postal workers, but they should live in the real world where if your supervisors are jerks or mismanaging things you can lose your job.  If they start running things like a real business, there will be safeguards to just getting fired.  Your evaluations over time for one thing can keep a single bad boss from firing someone they just do not like. I promise they will have plenty of bureaucracy built in; it will not be run like a small business, it will be a big business bureaucracy just like it is now.  The worst of the worst will probably be let go at first, then it will level off.  I think it could improve with accountability.
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by: Toledo Maude This user has validated their user name.
       
Thu Jan 12 12:36:03 2017
All Internet sellers (especially small tiny sellers) should be very leery of wholesales changes to the Post Office.

Finding a poor excuse of a postal employee is as easy as taking a breath, but I personally receive good competent service from the USPS.  The last major postal screw up was (I hate to admit it) caused by me.  I cannot remember when a package was not delivered by the Post Office and on time.

Yes, I could switch shipping to UPS or FedEx, but my minimum charge to ship a small package would increase from $6.50 to what $16.00.  

As far as unions go, this former United Auto Union worker would love to see a union organized for small eBay sellers.  A union of hundreds of thousands of sellers has a much better chance to effect changes on eBay (or Amazon) than the single individual seller complaining to a customer representative halfway around the world.  
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This user has validated their user name. by: RKTOYS
       
Thu Jan 12 12:57:47 2017
You can always tell who's never actually worked in the public sector by the fantastic stories they tell.  Those stories serve the 1% well though as they steal fortunes while fools bicker over pennies.
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This user has validated their user name. by: Siobhan
       
Thu Jan 12 13:57:26 2017
I'm all for it. I've seen incompetence for 25 years. For starters I knew a postal employees  star route driver who used to pack daily a 12 pack of beer every day on his drive, drink 6 of them when he reached his destination with his lunch, fall asleep, while the postal employees loaded the truck with the mailbags, then wake up when they were finished and drive the way home, drinking the remaining 6 beers while driving. He also had 5 weeks paid vacation. He also had relief drivers to work, when he didn't feel like working, whom the govvies gave a stipend to pay them with. I was shocked to find out he was not giving his relief drivers the full amount. He was skimming their pay! Since he is around my age, he is probably happily retired on his postal pension.

Another postal nightmare - in the city I have recently moved away from, to out of state, my local post office has refused to forward any packages I've ordered in sent them back overseas or just threw them away. I heard from a university secretary that they have a bad habit of doing that to forwarded mail, although if you moved to a nearby suburb, no mail interruption. But how dare you leave our beautiful city and state!

All postal workers in that state were former military (the city was a mecca for retired military and active military, for it had an air base) so they will get a double pension when they retire from that. Not to mention they were arrogant. But no. Impossible to fire those so called ''public servants''. I'm no fan of Trump but it has occurred to me that this disruption of the mail could possibly be a back lash by them fo Trump's election because they know that heads are going to roll in the USPS.
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by: val2525 This user has validated their user name.
       
Thu Jan 12 18:24:55 2017
@RKTOYS, the USPS receives no government funding. It is self-supported through sales of product and services.  Because it has government oversight (Congress has to approve rate changes for example), it's considered a "quasi-government agency".  It gets hammered by the government for rules and no help from the government for expenses.  Since it's getting no fed money, it needs to operate like a private sector company.  Dump the pension plan, the USPS is too large for that.  Hence my comment about a 401k plan.  Less cost.  
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by: BargainzBabylon This user has validated their user name.
       
Thu Jan 12 20:25:19 2017
@RK Toys - you nailed it, and for a lot more than just the USPS. I know quite a few state workers and they have loyalty and a strong work ethic. None of them are getting rich, either.

But hey, get we plebs to fight over crumbs like food stamps or pensions, and the 1% steals the banquet.

It's a classic weapon of mass distraction and people fall for it all the time.

Agree with Val2525 about changing the pension system, though it's the prefunding that needs to go.  
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by: BargainzBabylon This user has validated their user name.
       
Thu Jan 12 20:29:14 2017
Also, I've worked in the private sector for 45 years and have seen plenty of incompetent fools that are kept on at various companies. The last place I worked, the CEO was the the worst.  
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by: made me look This user has validated their user name.
       
Sun Jan 15 14:19:39 2017
Living in an ''at will'' state is disturbing for my wife. If only people were fired for job-related digressions!!! We are a married lesbian couple. If anyone at her community college has an issue with that, she could be terminated. Similarly, if a Christian company, such as Hobby Lobby or Chick-Fil-A, didn't appreciate someone's un''christian-like'' behavior, they could be terminated. People SHOULD be judged on their job-related abilities and not on some arbitrary ''at will'' status, but sometimes they aren't. Being in an ''at will'' state certainly cuts down on law suits, I imagine.
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by: Snapped This user has validated their user name.
       
Sun Jan 15 23:34:25 2017
In case facts actually have a place, here's a few to consider:

The 'contract' governing USPS letter carrier pay and benefits is between the National Association of Letter Carriers (NALC) and USPS management, which while acting under the mandates of the US Congress (who is empowered by YOU), is NOT funded by taxes.  Not one dime.  The entirety of USPS revenue is generated by USPS Postage, Product, and service revenue.

Other non management postal workers (clerks, handlers, plant workers, drivers, etc.) have their own, seperate union and labor contracts, accordingly.

This revenue pays not only salaries and benefits, it ALSO pays all retirement costs.  Well, 99% of it anyway.  Carriers contribute a piece of every paycheck to their own too.  And need five years minimum service to get any back.

Again, not one dime of taxes fund this benefit, wich requires a minimum of 20 years of service to clam.  

Last quarter, USPS operating profit was roughly $140M.  Any 'losses' posted in the aggregate are entirely the result of CONGRESSIONAL mandate to prefund retirement costs 75 YEARS into the future.  Let any 'private' corporation try to survive on that.  Yet the USPS, for all the relatively occasional (yet no less 'newsworthy and overly visible' episodes of malfeasance) still manages to provide the most relatively efficient, cost effective and voluminous delevery service on the planet.  

Privatization attempts are nevertheless 'advertised' as being 'more beneficial', yet are wholly agenda backed by political and personal economic motive by those who would support it.  You can research who in congress owns significant stock in, or is supported by USPS competitors if you care to bother, then compare that to who is the most vocal regarding at will and/or privatization.  Imagine that.

Meanwhile A newly hired letter carrier (city carrier assistant, or CCA for example), earns $15.60 an hour, works a part time on call basis, must pass a 90 day probation period, and is subject to a 7-day work week with NO benefits or vacation time paid.  Standard OT of course, that's a DOL standard, even in the private sector.  Currently they stay in this status for about a year until being offered opportunity to become a 'regular', where they now make a bit below $18 an hour.  A three year vet makes about $42k/year.  10 holidays, two weeks vacation.  Except for the entire month of Dec where a 6 day/55 hour week is NORMAL, and NO vacation or scheduled time off is granted.

Read, no extended holiday plans, so YOU can get all the 'stuff' you ordered to support YOURS, on time, despite YOUR typical procratinations (you know who you are out there).

5 day week, but rarely two days off in a row.  Built in raises, sure.  About 1.5% every 44 weeks.  Plus COLA (1 - 1.5% when negotiated, but the last came in Nov '15, none scheduled this year).  And on their day off?  Another carrer has to take a piece of their route.  And be back 'on time', even though they may have up to an hour 'extra' work.  Empty routes too - every station has a couple.  Why not fill them?  Cheaper to 'squeeze' the most out of what they got, that's why.  It's the ONLY civil service WITH a profit motive you see.

Harassed by lose dogs, bee stings, blocked access, missing or hidden or rusty mailboxes, overstuffed clusterboxes, and now delivering up to 3x as many packages (in the same time frames) as last year. Many mis-addressed, or sent to addresses where the recipient moved and didnt bother to put in a change. Amazonification.  

80,000 walking routes across the US.  Some up to 9 miles a day.  Only the 'rural' carriers get the drive up deals.  

Meanwhile, satchels and mail can weigh up to 50lbs.  Strap one on, take a walk some time.  Full speed.  No 'strolling' in this job.  Stop every couple hundred feet and climb a flight of stairs.  Don't forget that 40''TV or set of bar bells that customer ordered who didn't want to drive three miles to pick up themselves these days.  Rain or shine.  Hot or cold.  Light or dark.  Schools close.  Businesses close.  Even the military - essential persons only.  Know what?  Carriers ARE 'essential persons'.  Ever see 'USPS CLOSED' on a snow day?  

Why full speed?  Because management IS under ressure to be profitable.  Every minute of the route is timed, despite any daily aberrant delay reality.  Which is why a 30 pkg unscheduled pickup can be....challenging.  

Sure, there are dolts out there.  Everybody has a cell cam these days too.  They don't record the responsible one's though.  Won't go viral, those.  Plus, there's a half million USPS employees.  Odds are, wait awhile, you'll 'catch' at least one fool.

Probably true for any organization similarly immense, no? Speaking of immense, anybody actually research the volume of mail and pkgs handled last year - before the unprecedented increases recorded this year?  As each of you may have one 'horor story' to share, compare it to that volume.  Malfeasance at any level is bad of course.  But it's certainly not the 'norm'.  Barely measurable, FWIW.

So, right to work, vs. at will.  Would it 'improve' service?  Better question, would ANYONE even apply under these conditions if they faced termination for NO cause?

Because most who carry are not the one's who's 'service ethics' NEED improvement.  And that includes management, and all the others.

Sure, carriers are technically civil servants.  (Sworn in under oath BTW.  Did you know that?)

But if your opinion to privatize or enact 'at will' is based on lack of 'value', or 'taxpayer cost', then much like eBay subjective feedback being treated as if fact, any related 'sanction' brought to bear in the name of 'improvement' or 'taxpayer savings' would be improperly associated.  

And imhO, would lead to consequences wholly undesirable, quite the opposite of what might be hoped for.  Wouldn't be the first time folks voted for foolish of course.  I fear we an't seen nuthin' yet, in that vein.
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This user has validated their user name. by: ebaydeserter
       
Thu Jan 19 09:10:03 2017
@snapped
Very important information you have posted. Most people have no clue how the postal service operates and under what conditions employees, veterans and newbies alike, slave under.
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