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Mon Jan 9 2017 10:15:35

Would Removing Job Security Improve the USPS?

By: Ina Steiner

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A lawmaker wants to remove job security for Federal employees, including postal workers. A key provision of Congressperson Todd Rokita's Promote Accountability and Government Efficiency (PAGE) Act would change the law regarding employees in the civil service so that they would be hired on an at-will basis, according to Postal News.

"Such an employee may be removed or suspended, without notice or right to appeal, from service by the head of the agency at which such employee is employed for good cause, bad cause, or no cause at all."

Interestingly, "Mail Carrier" is already the most endangered job in the country according to a Careercast.com survey that analyzed US Department of Labor Statistics, the Herald Bulletin reported this week.

You may or may not agree with the benefits civil servants have, including their right to unionize. But does the PAGE Act swing too far in the other direction? Can you attract good workers and provide them with an incentive to work hard if they have no confidence in their short-term prospects? What benefits might outweigh any downsides?

Given the importance of the USPS to ecommerce, especially small sellers, it's a question worth considering.

UpdateFedSmith has more on the PAGE Act and what to expect.

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by: RL15 This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jan 9 11:19:19 2017

That is too harsh. The best carrier can have a supervisor personally dislikes them and can get terminated with out just cause is wrong.

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This user has validated their user name. by: toolguy

Mon Jan 9 11:24:14 2017

100% YES

Getting fired from the US Postal service is about IMPOSSIBLE.

The only thing you can really get fired for is stealing.

When I worked there we had a NO LAYOFF clause in our union contract. . .

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by: FeelingFroggy This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jan 9 11:36:12 2017

If you go to work, on time and do your job without drinking or sleeping or in general screwing off you have nothing to worry about.

But like the autoworkers who are unionized the drinker, slouch, absent employee is patted on the back for a good job done.

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This user has validated their user name. by: eXtinctBay

Mon Jan 9 11:49:37 2017

I live in a ''right to work'' state, so this basically is the law here. Many employers include in their job applications that you can be terminated for any reason.

Do not know if this applies to postal workers, since their union will protect them. We have found in my state that those who get up to the top pay scales at their jobs are vulnerable to termination.

Perhaps this is a ploy by the USPS to rid themselves of older employees, and replace them with new workers who would be paid less.

High turnover is an issue for every company, as the quality of production declines as the experience level of employees is lessened.

So, yes, if this is passed, it will trickle down to those of us who depend on the USPS to properly deliver our merchandise to customers.

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by: val2525 This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jan 9 12:30:23 2017

Since the USPS is not a true government agency, the employees should be regular employees like any other business and not civil service employees. But then, I also think the USPS needs to dump the pension plan and go to a standard 401k like their competition.

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This user has validated their user name. by: RKTOYS

Mon Jan 9 14:52:59 2017

@FeelingFroggy
Absolutely not true; just another lie broadcast over the radio waves each day to foment jealousy amongst the proles.

1.  You can, in fact, be fired for being on time and doing your job well.  A poor quarter and a frightened manager are just two reasons to worry.

2.  You can too be a drunk, incompetent, absentee in the private sector without consequence.  Nepotism and contractor fraud exist.

@val2525
In what way is it not a government agency?  It's enumerated in the Constitution for crying out loud.  Please say you have more to go on than the ".com" in their URL.

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by: FeelingFroggy This user has validated their user name.

Mon Jan 9 15:41:05 2017

@rkktoys

As a union rep. at one of the big three automakers I have seen first hand how the slugs, druggies, sleepers, absentees have been protected from losing their jobs.

The biggest ploy was to put these losers in a rehab program. Kind of like handing out pampers and pacifiers. Only for the same slugs to repeat again.

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This user has validated their user name. by: FEEbay

Mon Jan 9 16:22:30 2017

I am all for it... We spend $8000/month with USPS, and most of the carriers are complete d-bags.... They could care less if they miss a daily pkg pickup that causes us a strike with Ebay....

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by: Guest This user has validated their user name.

Tue Jan 10 04:33:22 2017

They already have this for non career posistions. This created a 40 % turn over rate and constant mistakes from no experience.

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by: Scotty This user has validated their user name.

Tue Jan 10 09:47:18 2017

True story...
When I lived in Chicago, one xmas season, no mail at my house for close to 3 weeks.  Finally, I relented and called the Postmaster only to be questioned like I was in an interrogation.  Literally watching the news 2 days later about an arrest of a mailman who was ''storing'' mail in his garage due to high workload he could not meet.  This was my mailman.  Found out my ''interrogation'' was actually done because they were finalizing their investigation of this person as others had complained as well.
Now the real kicker....the mailman was found guilty of some charge...sent to jail for 2 years...and returned to his job upon release as he could not be fired for various reasons related to union, contract, etc.  THIS IS NOT THE REAL WORLD THESE PEOPLE LIVE IN...NO WHERE ELSE WOULD THIS HAPPEN.  You can't make this stuff up.
Positive side....the following Sunday, yes Sunday, my doorbell rings and there is an entourage of high level Postal big-shots actually delivering the delayed mail personally and apologizing.  That was a shocker.
Point is...most everyone lives in an ''at-will'' employment situation.  Unions used to serve a purpose...now they are for ''elite'' workers with rights no one else in the USA has.  Let them live like the rest of us.

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This user has validated their user name. by: The End

Tue Jan 10 12:21:23 2017

Absolutely.
In the case of the USPS, job security only gives sanction to the "gremlins" in the system. The internal terrorists.
EXAMPLE : my tax, and other government mail were being sabotaged by a mentally unstable. Rather than terminate the miscreant, they transferred the person.
Job security leads to bad service.  

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by: puppy This user has validated their user name.

Wed Jan 11 00:31:25 2017

When I first started my business I had an older mailman. He was fine the first year but after that his behavior changed. He would mix up my mail with my neighbors, leave packages in the wrong place where they would get stolen. I would leave notes for him at the odd spots he was leaving packages begging him to go to my door and he would tear up the notes and leave the box there anyways. I spoke to him several times and he just smiled and nodded at me, pretending to understand my complaints. And then he did the same stuff all over again. I contacted the post master, regional supervisors and consumer affairs. Guess what his issue was! He had suffered a stroke and that stroke had compromised his mental capacity. Yet he was still entrusted with the mail. USPS was well aware of the problem and did nothing. I learned from half the neighborhood that everyone had complained and was going insane from the unstable, inconsistent and bizarre service we were getting from him. This was a sad situation, but it illustrates the point that sometimes the job security at USPS is too much. If someone is not capable of doing the job professionally and responsibly, there should be a way to get rid of them, move them somewhere else or something! Today I have a healthy, responsible mentally competent mail carrier and I am grateful for him and tell him so often! I'm happy someone like him has good job security. But I know this system can fail in some situations and needs reform.

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by: menco This user has validated their user name.

Wed Jan 11 00:33:58 2017


First, @val2525: the 401K is NOT STANDARD. 401K was intended to compliment an employer-supported pension, NOT to replace it.

The selling pitch was ''3-legged stool -- Social Security, pension and 401K. The Reagan-Clinton-Bush era Deregulation Congresses chopped off one leg.
 

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by: Chicago48 This user has validated their user name.

Wed Jan 11 02:22:05 2017

The Congressman is Republican.  It figures.
He wants to change the job to "on-call" contingent status, and that won't work.  I don't think the congressman has held a "real" 40 hour job in his life, or he would know that "on-call" contingent work is the worst.  It would be better for him to advise making the workers "contractual."

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by: Chicago48 This user has validated their user name.

Wed Jan 11 02:28:24 2017

Sorry I misread..."at-will"....The congressman is trying to rewrite the union contract and that would require that he sit in with negotiations.  His idea is a dumb idea.  First of all the PO is shedding workers by just closing all the facilities.  Second, it's hard to get good people these days to work.  Ask any employer.  The days of people being loyal and having a work ethic are over.  If they put that language in the contract, half the PO workforce would be fired.

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by: Daisy909 This user has validated their user name.

Wed Jan 11 06:59:45 2017

I work in an ''at will'' state. If you do your job, you will keep your job. Simple!

A few years ago my mail carrier was arrested for stealing birthday cards with gift cards in them. This went on for 2 years before that with many complaints in my neighborhood. When they finally arrested him he was drinking a 6 pack of beer in a mail truck, no less!

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by: Flying Childers This user has validated their user name.

Wed Jan 11 08:40:27 2017

So called "job security" needs to be removed from ALL public sector jobs including supervisors and management.  It is time for these people who feed at the taxpayer funded, public trough to get real.

In the private sector that most of your readers live and work in, we have ZERO job security.  The reality of our world is this:  many of us are older, some already at the age of retirement or close  I guarantee you that we are not trying to sell online because we need a hobby.

The truth is that most of us, taxpayers all, can only DREAM of having salary and benefits like the GOVERNMENT workers in our towns, villages, counties, let alone the Federal Government.

Where I live in NY, everyone who works for local government makes between $50-100,000 a year with excellent pension plans and benefits.  All teachers in our system make minimum $125K a year with pension and benefits for their entire family.  IT IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO FIRE THESE PEOPLE, NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO!

The salaries and benefits of people who work for any branch of Government are no longer sustainable.  There are not enough of us who are working to support this.

I am sorry that it is the postal workers who are taking the first hit because at least they are really doing something.

Most government jobs are no show.  They just come in once and awhile and don't have to pick up their paycheck.  It's sent right to their bank account.

Time for folks to get real.  Let  them try doing what we here on ECB are doing to try to make ends meet!!

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by: topdog This user has validated their user name.

Wed Jan 11 09:00:19 2017

We had a postal worker at our nearby office who had to be removed from her job, she performed so terribly. She also caused so many problems with the other workers that there was no place for her to be assigned. However, they could not fire her due to civil service regs, they ended up paying her to sit in the lobby for her entire shift - most of the day she would be seen sleeping in her chair in the lobby.
There is a serious problem when a worker, who is clearly incompetent and disruptive, cannot be fired. Govt is about the only place where this happens.  

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by: Small Guy This user has validated their user name.

Wed Jan 11 09:32:13 2017

I've worked in both government and the private sector all my life (50 years)and the difference in employee attitude is like night and day.

People who want security and are afraid of uncertainty gravitate toward and keep secure government jobs. People who can stand risk and competition will compete in the private sector for higher rewards.  There is a difference in personality types.

But good luck trying the change over to ''at will'' employment contracts for government employees.  Too many forces to overcome.

Civil Service seemed like a good idea years ago but look what it has brought us.  A bloated, ineffective, quagmire of workers whose main objective is to protect their own job and their own budget.  They are not interested in efficiency or results... just ''keep things going the way they are until I transfer to a better government job or I retire''.

Yes, the system needs to be changed.  But drastic changes will be met with huge opposition.  Gradual changes hopefully could improve the situation over time.

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by: Flying Childers This user has validated their user name.

Wed Jan 11 10:12:53 2017

The people who work in taxpayer funded jobs in the public sector have no idea what it's like for the average person in their community.  

They don't know what it's like to have to decide whether to pay the property tax or the mortgage payment or even for some people, their heating bill.

It goes beyond a bad attitude - the truth is that Government workers, especially those in DC who work for the Feds, are the new Elite.  They are truly the "One Percent."

I have zero sympathy for any of them.  65% of my income goes to taxes of one sort or another- real estate tax, sales tax, school tax, town tax, county tax, village tax, parking tickets (a tax), energy tax, etc. etc. ad infinitum.

This is the realty for the haves and have nots.  For most of these people, the security, salary and benefits are the least of it.  They just LOVE the power of being able to tell someone else what to do.

Let them find out how the other half lives.

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